talon ul versus exile ul

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[ko]

hi all i fly in an area where the winds are generaly smooth i have an exile and really like the way it fly;s exept that i find it harder to get into a fade than other kites anyway i am looking  to buy something new to play with i have a QP sul and enjoy it but it is nowhere near as floaty as the exile  ideas thanx KO

[Mark E Mark]

I've never flown an Exile but the Talon UL is easy to get into a fade and easy to hold it there too

[Francois]

BMK makes nice  kites
JoE makes awesome kites
Nobody in the business makes kites like JoE. Thats it Thats all

[ko]

thank you still pondering

[KaoS]

hi all i fly in an area where the winds are generaly smooth i have an exile and really like the way it fly;s exept that i find it harder to get into a fade than other kites anyway i am looking  to buy something new to play with i have a QP sul and enjoy it but it is nowhere near as floaty as the exile  ideas thanx KO

How are you getting into the fade?  I've not had a problem with my Exile, so it sounds like a technique thing.  Different kites respond in different ways, not necessarily better or worse than others, just differently.

If you are going from a flare to a fade, some kites prefer you don't flare too far, and are better when you do the second pop before the kite is flared completely flat on its belly.

If you are getting into the fade by popping half way round a standard axel, then try popping the axel with one hand and flipping into the fade using the only other hand by itself - don't flip into the fade using both hands together.

KMAC makes excellent kites, so does Mark Clements - but they make different kites.  If you want all out trick, it's hard to look past the Talon.  If you want an all round kite that is excellent at tricking, the Exiles are excellent (and a bit cheaper than the imported JoE)

...my 2 cents.

[ko]

thanx for that K. i will give your methods a try i REALLY like the exile it IS a great kite and so will continue working on it  ---1/2 axle to fade is my method of choice . when it is light i go from flair to fade and out of a wrap a little more . thanx KO

[DaveH]

Kevin, good call pointing him in the direction of technique, but I think the term popping might  not be the best for this situation.  Maybe smoother pulls?  Anway, my Exile fades very nicely.  However, if you let the nose go past level in the flair it can become less than willing to rotate into the fade. 

[RoyReed]

Do you have any weight on the Exile UL? if not, try 15g. It'll help getting into a fade either from a flare or a fractured axel. Until mine met with an untimely end I had no problem getting into or holding a fade.

[JimB]

OMG. 

That is extremely unfortunate Roy.

 

[ko]

JEEEEEZ roy FRIGHTNING!! i carry mace but i think i will get the bear size after that!! about the weight i am flying the standard and have had it with all off and a every thing in between i have checked the bridle ala stapp but ordered a new 1 anyway it is probably me we shall c sorry for the loss KO i so want to get it i wish there was another 1 around

[stapp59]

I have both Exile and Talon sets with much more time on the Exiles. The Talon has a higher aspect ratio and rolls up a little faster.  Both will fade fine.  As was mentioned above two or three weights will help getting into the fade on the Exile std.  Bridle settings shouldn't matter alot unless far away from Ken's defaults.  I use the middle SO holes almost exclusively.  Bumpy winds will knock you out of a fade unless carefully tended.

As was also mentioned, the Exile is a more of an all rounder and the Talon definitely freestyle oriented. Both are great kites that have different personalities.  Sorry not to be more specific.

Steve

[inewham]

I own an Exile UL and flew it back to back with a Talon UL a while ago.
My impressions -
The Exile UL needs less wind, into SUL territory but like an SUL rewards good technique. Its floaty and while it will do lots of tricks it likes to be coaxed more than spanked.
The Talon UL needs more wind but is easier to spank around and flies like a Std but in UL winds.

It would depend on your priority - if you need to fly in the absolute lowest winds go with Exile UL, if you want something as easy as possible to trick go Talon UL.

IMO you need both 

[ko]

worked on it sun. definitely me.. i think the reason i had problems is that i had more luck with the QP's the shadow and the skymaster ul so i figured i new what i was doing WRONG   i wll get it though  thanx all for the support somethings are impossible to figure out from vids  IAN i want both but plan on purchasing the elu and then bugging you a lot as i just got an old kenmore tuned and ready for a first build!! thanx again KO ps it was tuned by a master kite builder thanx again also to her!!!