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Author Topic: Tips for solo 2-line launch from ground?  (Read 9314 times)
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« on: July 13, 2016, 06:17 AM »

I have a 2-line delta stunt kite.

So far, I've always used a partner to help me launch it (they hold the kite until I get the lines ready at the other end, then launch the kite while I keep tension on the lines).

I've tried launching solo from the ground, but I haven't had any luck.  My understanding is that you can lay it with the nose downwind, walk back to the straps, and tilt it upright to launch.

The day was very windy, and if I left the kite on its back with nose downwind, the wind would flip it and blow it away.  (I saw a video of a guy doing it this way, but it didn't look like a very windy day in the video.)

I could leave it face down with the nose upwind safely, but then I couldn't get it to orient for launch once I walked back to the straps.

Maybe I need a stake to hold the straps so I can position the kite at the proper angle, allowing it to stick to the ground while I walk back?
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2016, 06:42 AM »

I'm not sure what kind of 2 line kite you have but this works with most 2 line delta kites with Standoffs/whiskers:

- Roll out lines (make sure they are exactly identical in lenght)
- Build up kite
- Attach lines to towpoints on bridle
- Lay the kite flat on it's back with the nose pointing downwind. Bridle and lines on top of kite.
- Grab the tail of the kite and roll the kite over the nose so that it's belly down, nose upwind. The lines are now running from behind the trailing edge over the back of the kite towards pilot's position (kite won't fly away in this position, wind will push it down)
- Grab the handles at the other end of the lines
- Put tension on the lines and take one step back (depends on size of kite)
- The kite will roll over to flying position standing on the wingtips with the lines free of snags
- pull both lines and fly away
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2016, 08:48 AM »

Man, I don't know why I didn't think of that.  That's an excellent idea!

Thank you.
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2016, 11:27 AM »

A ground stake is a pretty standard tool to have in your bag. Even a long screwdriver would work. Then you can stake the handles, run out your lines, connect to the kite, tip the kite far enough back so that it doesn't self-launch, and then pick up the handles and go for it. More importantly, when you land the kite and want to take a break, just stake the handles again, with the kite leaning backwards. No need to walk back and forth to the kite to roll the kite up in the lines.  Just be careful with staked kites; the lines tend to hover just above the ground, and they're a tripping hazard for spectators.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2016, 12:21 PM »

Ground stakes for sport kites is a good idea if you are

relatively new to the sport.

Once familiar, I'd go for the method posted by Kareloh.

With a trick kite, it is fairly easy to flip the kite into a

starting position when you want to take a break. That

way you don't have to walk to the kite.

Both methods work. I haven't carried a kite stake in years.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 01:37 PM »

I don't know that the Bolero II is a "trick kite," though I'm not sure I know what you mean.

I can make it do loops and dives on command, but I can't seem to get it to flip around back to front like I've seen people do with the Prism 4D in light wind.

Maybe I'm missing something about how to fly it though.  I can't imagine bringing it back down to the ground except at the very edge of the window... maybe I could get it to lean back over there, but I'm not sure I could flip it over there.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2016, 01:43 PM »

It's a trick kite, and you'd do yourself a favor watching Dodd Gross's 6 step video for all the basics. KarelOh's tip is a great way to keep the kite down on high winds, and you can consider it your first trick 😉
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2016, 01:14 AM »

Do as Kareloh suggests.

I have a good 3" scar across my right wrist from stupidly putting a screwdriver (being used as a grounds stake) into my trouser pocket point up, forgetting it was there and then tricked. Pushed for a flare and you can guess the rest. A very deep cut, blood everywhere and lots of questions at the hospital when stitching it together  Cry

This was over 10 years ago and I still get odd looks and asked how it happened. I know what they think happened as it is in a very suggestive place.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2016, 08:18 AM »

At the beach, you can lay the kite back and put some sand on the trailing edge, preventing it from flipping. I mostly use the rollup technique above but sometimes the kite will just slide (on packed wet sand) and I use the sand on it technique...
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 03:42 AM »

I use a Carey Quicky stake when not flying on sand (I'm an inland flier).  It's made of orange plastic and you can't cut yourself with it.

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 04:25 AM »

Do as Kareloh suggests.

I have a good 3" scar across my right wrist from stupidly putting a screwdriver (being used as a grounds stake) into my trouser pocket point up, forgetting it was there and then tricked. Pushed for a flare and you can guess the rest. A very deep cut, blood everywhere and lots of questions at the hospital when stitching it together  Cry

This was over 10 years ago and I still get odd looks and asked how it happened. I know what they think happened as it is in a very suggestive place.
Many people have decided to make their own peg style stake using tubular fiberglass..... Never do this!  I know two people that have scars also on their inner wrist because the pushed down on the end of the tube and it shattered, slicing then up in the process...

I prefer simple golf ball stakes or sand bags now...... Or tie down lines to anchor to benches, trees, cars........

Honestly for sport kites i do not use a stake at all.... Just the method kareloh described works for all of my dualies
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 03:57 PM »

I have a scar from a carbon spar that somehow stabbed me in the arm... badge of courage, I guess. Just referring to what Rob said, tubes can leave nasty cuts. I keep it really simple, an old screwdriver from a garage sale to stake my kites.
Even if you use the roll-up method to self launch, a kite stake is useful if you're flying in a strong wind, either crash or land on purpose, and want to keep the kite in place. I always have a stake on my belt when flying, unless the wind is really low.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 06:47 PM »

Most of my kites are older models with flatter sails and they don't do the rollover from parked thing like most of the kites made in the last 10+ years.

Way back in the day I found a stake really handy when learning how to manage a kite in high and/or swirly wind. Having the kite staked down gave me one less thing to worry about. That said, I haven't used a stake for a dual line kite in a long, long time.

I generally just put the kite in launch position and then pinch the lines between my fingers as I walk back to the handles. just a bit of tension keeps the keel and/or tips in firm contact with the ground and the wind pushes down on the kite, keeping it in place (just like when the kite is staked). I suppose this took a little practice to learn, but now it is second nature. I don't normally fly in really strong wind, but when the wind is strong I pay very close attention and walk back more slowly, making sure the kite stays firmly planted.

https://youtu.be/Z45HfCBhdNQ

In the long run, I think staked kites left on the field are a bad idea. Fine for learning, or special situations (like I'll stake a kite as part of setup before a demo with a tail), but I never leave a kite staked and walk away. If I'm going to leave a kite out for a while I land the kite and park it nose into the wind, then later when ready to fly again I walk down and flip it over and walk back down the lines to the handles.
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