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Author Topic: Need to pick one kite for beginner/intermediate trick flying  (Read 6615 times)
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2012, 09:20 AM »

The problems I have relate to the older zeph. In terms of build. I should have be specific on that point.

1. The bridle line is lumpy as the core shifts in relation to the sleeving. Not a big problem.
2. The padding by the standoffs at the base of the sail is an odd choice and is perfectly placed to get wet and heavy on damp ground
3. The leech line is slowly eating it's way through the trailing edge of the kite.
4. The tail has needed stitching.

The kite weighs more than some standards it doesn't fly as low other ULs. I can easily fly the std exile in lower wind than the zeph.

The kite is made in China and I would rather have something made by the person it was designed by. There is significant value in this and goes for any product .... a boat, a musical instrument almost anything.
A WM or exile is better built but they are more expensive. I am not bashing anyone just expessing an opinion.
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2012, 09:35 AM »

Aside from the Wahoo, I've owned all those kites.   The one that I wish that I still had is the Exile in either standard or UL, but I'd get the Standard first. 

Actually, any of kens kites are excellent flyers - extremely smooth and satisfying.  Also, there are usually some in the swap tent so that's good news. 
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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2012, 01:58 PM »

Harvey

I share your assesment of the zephs weakness.

The kite weighs more than some standards it doesn't fly as low other ULs. I can easily fly the std exile in lower wind than the zeph.

but the new zephs do not have these build issues.

The problems I have relate to the older zeph. In terms of build. I should have be specific on that point.

1. The bridle line is lumpy as the core shifts in relation to the sleeving. Not a big problem.
2. The padding by the standoffs at the base of the sail is an odd choice and is perfectly placed to get wet and heavy on damp ground
3. The leech line is slowly eating it's way through the trailing edge of the kite.
4. The tail has needed stitching.


Understand the high quality craftmanship argument, having skyburnners, Blue Moons, Bensons among others, But some fine high-end kites included the zephyr and shadow are only make in china. There is no option to buy a custom made version.

For a newbe. The craftmanship can easly be beaten out of it while learning to fly and trick. So the extra cost is wasted.

To me we should let the newbe know they are paying extra for craftmanship that maybe be may or may not want or may wreak in their learning process.
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2012, 02:12 PM »

Is the Prism Quantum Pro the only Prism made in the USA now ? Cool
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2012, 02:22 PM »

I think Quantum Pro is only kite made in Seattle , in Prism for now.
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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2012, 11:05 PM »

The problems I have relate to the older zeph. In terms of build. I should have be specific on that point.

1. The bridle line is lumpy as the core shifts in relation to the sleeving. Not a big problem.
2. The padding by the standoffs at the base of the sail is an odd choice and is perfectly placed to get wet and heavy on damp ground
3. The leech line is slowly eating it's way through the trailing edge of the kite.
4. The tail has needed stitching.

The kite weighs more than some standards it doesn't fly as low other ULs. I can easily fly the std exile in lower wind than the zeph.

The kite is made in China and I would rather have something made by the person it was designed by. There is significant value in this and goes for any product .... a boat, a musical instrument almost anything.
A WM or exile is better built but they are more expensive. I am not bashing anyone just expessing an opinion.

Ah yea the early run zeph issues.  I have a few of those build issued on my "blemished" Zeph from the early run.  THey got fixed fairly fast though.
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2012, 03:44 AM »

So nothing will tear the fabric of a kite forum apart quite as quickly as asking its members to list the best kites in order.  Cheesy

Seriously though I do appreciate all the feedback. It's armed me with some valuable information to assist me in making a kite choice at the festival. Speaking of which, what year did the Zephyr stop having problems? And is there a way to tell how old it is so that if I run across one I know if it's one that should be avoided or not? I had a forum member offer to sell me a Zephyr and I'm going to look at it at the Whidbey Kite Festival, but it sounded like it wasn't in perfect condition, and honestly I'd like to get one that is in great condition for my first kite. I'd like to be the one who beats the hell out of it!  Huh
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2012, 04:02 AM »

So nothing will tear the fabric of a kite forum apart quite as quickly as asking its members to list the best kites in order.  Cheesy
As this section's moderator, let me tell you that this is cheerful banter. You are highly unlikely to reach a universal view on..... well, anything really. Embrace diversity.

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And is there a way to tell how old it is so that if I run across one I know if it's one that should be avoided or not?
Run the bridle line through your fingers. If it's lumpy then it's from the early, worrisome-to-Harvey batch. I had one like this and didn't really consider it that much of a problem. It really only becomes one if you're used to the more rarefied air of boutique kites lovingly made by a craftsman, rather than something banged out on some production line that's doing tents on the afternoon shift.

Personally I reckon that the Zephyr is almost all the kite anyone not taking this hobby very seriously is going to need. So naturally I let mine go quite quickly  Wink

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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2012, 04:21 AM »

So nothing will tear the fabric of a kite forum apart quite as quickly as asking its members to list the best kites in order.  Cheesy


Oh...do not worry....this exact thread has come multiple times over this forums history....and each time there are no bloody noses or blackened eyes.....just members seething internally for years later because they were told that a pink and rainbow kite is not awesome.......but if you put a RV or unicorn on it that helps......

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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2012, 05:14 AM »

If you found one of the older zephs at the right price then it would not be a bad kite for thrashing around and tricking. A widowmaker would be a much better option I think. It flies neutral, not too quick and will give you better feedback into the learning curve. It will also save you trying to flog your zeph 6 months from now. Cool
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2012, 07:06 AM »

i have a CDC Stx 1.9 and a Level One JTM that might work as well for you......
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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2012, 07:09 AM »

It will also save you trying to flog your zeph 6 months from now. Cool

6 months to outgrow noob state? I must be a freakin idiot. Anyone got a Freestylin' for Dummies book they could loan me?
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2012, 07:29 AM »

It will also save you trying to flog your zeph 6 months from now. Cool

6 months to outgrow noob state? I must be a freakin idiot. Anyone got a Freestylin' for Dummies book they could loan me?

Now that there is funny.  Cheesy
But remember, guys that stick to one model of kite, have lots of spare time, and fly at the beach, progress fast. Guys that fly 5 different models every other weekend at their local inland fields, not so much.  Wink

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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2012, 08:42 AM »

It will also save you trying to flog your zeph 6 months from now. Cool

6 months to outgrow noob state? I must be a freakin idiot. Anyone got a Freestylin' for Dummies book they could loan me?

Now that there is funny.  Cheesy
But remember, guys that stick to one model of kite, have lots of spare time, and fly at the beach, progress fast. Guys that fly 5 different models every other weekend at their local inland fields, not so much.  Wink

Denny

I can attest to that. I tend to figure more out in my week of beach flying on vacation than I do in the rest of the year on my crappy inland fields. Smooth wind makes a huge difference when learning.
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2012, 09:08 AM »

Ok...3rd month inland...

  Arms straight out and pull back while stepping back... got it!

Which way does the kite face again?  I gotta get this, i am sick of climbing the latter and setting the kite on the edge of the roof.... dont know why my wife wont throw it into the air for me anymore?!?!

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