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Author Topic: Low Wind Tricky Kites  (Read 6590 times)
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« on: October 12, 2012, 05:57 AM »

Hi guys,

I'm new here, finally decided to join this forum after reading through a lot of informative threads in this forum looking for UL stunts for inland flying (around 0-5mph).
Currently l'm looking for highly trickable kite in low wind condition. At my location, there are these kites available to choose from:

Flying Wings Airwave UL
Flying Wings Airwave Zero
Silver Fox 2.3 Pro UL
Silver Fox 2.5 UL
HQ Shadow
SkyBurner Ocius
Prism Zephyr
SkyBurner WidowMaker

I'm looking at price range up till SilverFox. From what I see, Shadow, Ocius, Zephyr and WM are highly regarded, but they are quite off my budget for now Sad.
Thus, I will like to know more about the performance of the Airwave UL or Airwave Zero (low wind performance and trickability) from anyone that had some experience with it before.

Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 06:16 AM »

welcome JJ...
Where are you located?   you might find someone nearby that has one or more of these (and others).....
Definitely take a bit of time to peruse through the Swap meet.....you can find some Amazing deals in there......

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 06:49 AM »

I think Thief is referring to the swap meet here on the forums.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 06:52 AM »

The only kite in your list that's not in the same price range is the Widow Maker. From what I understand, the Silver Fox UL isn't really for LOW winds, and you will probably end up disappointed. The Shadow can be flown in next to no wind, I enjoy mine. The Ocius is another good choice...
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 08:32 AM »

+1 for the Shadow, it will fly from around 1.5 mph and is pretty tricky. The Silver Foxes and Zephyr aren't that ultralight and need a bit more wind to keep them flying well.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 08:46 AM »

My ocius sul and widowmaker ul see a lot of airtime . I live inland as well
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 09:01 AM »

The Airwave UL looks to be very good:
Flying Wings - 2009 Airwave UL

And the Zero is pretty cool too...
Flying Wings -2009 airWave zero for indoor tricks kite

airWave Zero - Flying Wings Kites

Flying Wings - 2009 airWave Zero Bell's show


I would go first for the UL and later for the Zero :-)
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2012, 09:59 AM »

From what I see, seems like the foxes and zephyr are not suited for my wind range...
So between ocius and shadow, which is better? Or should I say, what are the strengths and weaknsses of the two kites?
Paw, I saw the clips too, thus I thought that they were quite decent. However, there was some feedback from a review saying that they aren't precise in movement. Will it affect my trick learning process?
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2012, 10:13 AM »

Will it affect my trick learning process?

What is your current skill level? How long have you been flying?
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2012, 10:18 AM »

Will it affect my trick learning process?

What is your current skill level? How long have you been flying?

Tell us !
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2012, 10:33 AM »


Flying Wings Airwave UL
Flying Wings Airwave Zero
Silver Fox 2.3 Pro UL
Silver Fox 2.5 UL
HQ Shadow
SkyBurner Ocius
Prism Zephyr
SkyBurner WidowMaker

I own most of the kites on your list and flown the rest.

The Airwave zero is a very able trick kite. I can fly mine a little lowerer than my Shadow. It is not a true no wind SUL (I perfer the AMAZING) but a good and cheap entry to get you started. The kite feels smaller that its size but control is not a problem. The kite is stable and holds the fade really well in my local choppy winds. I highly recommend the kite if you are looking for value.

Like the Shadow a lot. Can't go wrong here.
 
I do not have the skills to access the OCIUS as it is an advance freestyle kite. Not the best kite to learn tricks on, but a great one to show off the skills you have.   Grin

It is a smaller, fast moving kite that flows out of one trick and allowing you to flow into another. The kite never stops moving and for me I see this as lack of control, but it is great for combo tricks. The OCIUS is the opposite of the WM which tricks slow and graceful. Both are by the same designer but VERY different in flying style.

Don't know if you have access to the Freestylist UL. It is a capable kite wonderful to learn on has more control that the the Shadow, Airware and OCIUS. It is built as a leaning trick kite and around $200.

Hope this helps
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2012, 11:10 AM »

I'm looking at price range up till SilverFox. From what I see, Shadow, Ocius, Zephyr and WM are highly regarded, but they are quite off my budget for now Sad.
Thus, I will like to know more about the performance of the Airwave UL or Airwave Zero (low wind performance and trickability) from anyone that had some experience with it before.
Wink

I think the Airwave UL would still be a good choice...it is not tooooo light, and is pretty fast in Tricks and floats good too...and it is a bit bigger, more agile and more easy to trick then the Zero !
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2012, 04:49 PM »

Skillwise, I'm can do basic maneuvers (8s, sq, launch... etc) on my entree kite premier osprey with much confident. However, due to wind conditions, it hovers down to the ground when the wind dies off, not to say doing any basic tricks.
Thus the need for a low wind kite, not only allows me to learn tricks, but also not outgrown quickly..
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2012, 10:15 AM »

Then get the Airwave UL...do not forget the low wind lines in good quallity _20kg/25m should be fine :-)
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2012, 04:54 PM »

After some bridle adjustments I prefer my Shadow way more than the AirWave UL I used to have. (Sold it).  Wink
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