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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2012, 07:37 PM »

Shadow is a great kite however if you fly at night at a park it can get lost in the night sky quickly.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2012, 07:58 PM »

Shadow is a great kite however if you fly at night at a park it can get lost in the night sky quickly.


You are right. Many of our Friday Night Flys have Shadows and it is a challange, but not impossible to fly at night.  Wink

Kite looks great during during the day. I get more compliemnts on the Shadow than any other kite.  Grin


After some bridle adjustments I prefer my Shadow way more than the AirWave UL I used to have. (Sold it).  Wink

+1 on the bridle adjustment to the Shadow.

I must have like my Airwave better because I still have mine. But it is a very differnent kite than the Shadow
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2012, 09:29 PM »

Erm.. a newb question. Y will other kites be possible to fly at night? Do you mean in contrast with night lightings , other kites are more visible than the shadow?
Also, what kind if bridle adjustments do you guys make to the shadow?
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2012, 10:02 PM »

Erm.. a newb question. Y will other kites be possible to fly at night? Do you mean in contrast with night lightings , other kites are more visible than the shadow?
Also, what kind if bridle adjustments do you guys make to the shadow?

The shadow is fitting to its name, black.
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2012, 10:20 PM »

The Shadow is not black.

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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2012, 07:02 AM »

Any dark color kite is difficult to trick in low light conditions. It is very hard to tell which way the kite is pointing when the light is low and the kite is against a backround of dark objects, like a tree line. I like the way my dark kites look ( like the Shadow ) but can only fly them in the summer when the light levels are high. It's even worse when you're flying under artificial light.
My favorite SUL is all black, and very difficult to see in all but the best sunny conditions. I still try to fly it, but lose track of it frequently...
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2012, 01:22 PM »

If you change the bridle, like written, this one is really good in the low price segment !
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=8592.0
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2012, 11:54 AM »

The Ocius SUL is awesome.  Very tricky, much more than the Shadow (IMO) and has a better wind range.
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2012, 12:16 PM »

I felt that the Ocius SUL had a lower range than the Shadow, but not on the upper end.  The Ocius (particularly the SUL) takes a bit too long to settle into a turtle for me.  Other than that, I really liked it.
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2012, 04:02 AM »

Thanks for all the inputs guys!

Can someone tell the difference in kite features that cause one to be much trickier than the other?

After reading, now I've narrowed down to the following kites:
Airwave UL
Shadow
Ocius SUL
Widowmaker UL

So in the case of these kites, how would you rank their trick/control performance in the lower wind range? (If anyone had tried all of them before in 0-5mph)
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2012, 02:27 PM »

My personal choice in those wind ranges would be the Ocius SUL over all the others, and I love my WidowMaker UL - but in 0 - 5, the Ocius comes out of the bag every time.  Now in winds 2-7 the WidowMaker UL is the choice.
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2012, 11:10 AM »

I reread all your posts and saw you are newer flyer wanting to learn tricks so I made my comments based on your experience.

You should only get a UL not an SUL (Ocius). SULs fly in lower wind but are HARD to fly and HARDER to trick. You will learn tricks better with a UL even if you fly less than a SUL.

Can someone tell the difference in kite features that cause one to be much trickier than the other?

These kites are a BIG improvement to the premier osprey you now fly. You will be learning tricks on them for years.  Grin
The Ocius is the only kite I would not recommend for your skill level. It is an ADVANCED trick kite designed for combination tricks. Not designed to teach beginners individual tricks. 2 years from now, you will love this kite.  Smiley


Thanks for all the inputs guys!

Can someone tell the difference in kite features that cause one to be much trickier than the other?

After reading, now I've narrowed down to the following kites:
Airwave UL
Shadow
Ocius SUL
Widowmaker UL

So in the case of these kites, how would you rank their trick/control performance in the lower wind range? (If anyone had tried all of them before in 0-5mph)

Airwave UL - good budget starter trick kite. Will be the first one you out grow
Shadow - Ok as a beginners kite, but a great kite as you get better.
Ocius SUL - not a control kite. pure freeform & it tricks fast. Buy this in a couple of years.
Widowmaker UL - great if you can afford it. a full sail with lots of control and does tricks slow and graceful. this helps in learning.

Hope that helps.
I have all the kites on you list except for the Ocius, but Gamelord lets me fly his  Grin
Gamelord is a much better pilot than me. I need another year of skill to fly the Ocius well.  Cry
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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2012, 03:32 PM »

I initially targeted for a sul because of the wind conditions I'm facing but suls are much harder to trick on... But with uls, I may have even lesser chance to be in the air.... That's my other concern.
 
Wayner, since what the manufacturer stated may not be the actual trickable range, so what min wind do you think the airwave, wm ul and shadow can teach me tricks in in actual?

Another newb question: wm ul is almost three times the price of airwave, is it 3x easier to learn tricks on?   Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2012, 04:17 PM »


Another newb question: wm ul is almost three times the price of airwave, is it 3x easier to learn tricks on?   Tongue

No... maybe twice as much  Cheesy

The WM UL is a kite that will do everything a little better that the airwave. Including teaching you how to fly in lower winds. Plus it is a kite you will most likely not out grow.

It is also not a waste of money unless you stop flying. This was the 4th UL I bought. For me I bought the airwave and shadow first. But now I fly the Shadow and WM much more than the Airware. But the Airwave still does all the tricks that I can do.
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2012, 04:33 PM »

The only kite I know that will make it 3x easier will cost you 5x the price. 

I'd go for a full size outdoor kite.   The issue with the 0 to 1.5/2 range is that you are talking indoor wind speeds there, so a kite that will fly very well in that when being flown by an inexperienced flyer, is likely not going to be very easy to trick in 2 to 5 or probably at all.

If you want to fly in less than 1, I'd get an indoor and learn how to do that well.  It's fun, but is completely different from true outdoor flying and tricking. 

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.

WM UL is good.  Also the silver fox line uls are sweet trickers, but need 3 realistically in my experience.

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