Low Wind Tricky Kites

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[messyboy]

What about Premier Widow? It's not a UL but I heard it is as tricky as the WidowMaker, but half the price.

What it the minimum wind to make it fly with minimal footwork (actual, not on paper)? Would you recommend it under my wind conditions?

[Wayner]

What about Premier Widow? It's not a UL but I heard it is as tricky as the WidowMaker, but half the price.

What it the minimum wind to make it fly with minimal footwork (actual, not on paper)? Would you recommend it under my wind conditions?

Nice kite at a good price. Bad news it takes more wind to fly than the std WidowMaker. Sholud fly in less wind the your current kite. For this price range you should look the at Shadow.

[Tmadz]

Jon T reframed a premier Widow into a UL for me. I haven't had light enough wind to see how low it will go, but i had it down to 5mph inland without any walking. It flies great and has made everything I am able to do much easier. Would love to see what the WM std can do though. Great kite for a reasonable budget.

[messyboy]

Nice kite at a good price. Bad news it takes more wind to fly than the std WidowMaker. Sholud fly in less wind the your current kite. For this price range you should look the at Shadow.

less wind referring to 4mph? 5mph?

Jon T reframed a premier Widow into a UL for me. I haven't had light enough wind to see how low it will go, but i had it down to 5mph inland without any walking. It flies great and has made everything I am able to do much easier. Would love to see what the WM std can do though. Great kite for a reasonable budget.

but with the reframing, it will cost as much as a WM i suppose...


WM std can fly as low as 3mph, I suppose is this not normal for all standards right?
What other standards can perform as well in 3-4mph?

[Wayner]

WM std can fly as low as 3mph, I suppose is this not normal for all standards right?
What other standards can perform as well in 3-4mph?

Sorry. don't know of any other full size kites line the WM in your price range. 

Any kite with this low a wind range would be the same price or higher than the WM.

Finding other flyers on the island may help you find a kite. 
The only way to see why you would pay for a $300 kite is to fly one. 

Flying kites of different prices would will quickly see what makes them different. This makes your decision very easy. You will quickly match what kites can do based on cost. Then choose what price vs performace works for you. 

[freedy]

I can let you test fly my WM UL. I am planning to get a WM standard to keep it company.

[Tmadz]

Jon T reframed a premier Widow into a UL for me. I haven't had light enough wind to see how low it will go, but i had it down to 5mph inland without any walking. It flies great and has made everything I am able to do much easier. Would love to see what the WM std can do though. Great kite for a reasonable budget.

but with the reframing, it will cost as much as a WM i suppose...

iI got mine on clearance. It wasn't much more. Nowhere near as expensive as a WM, but I don't know if a Freestylist would be in order then since the prices are comparable.

[Wayner]

I can let you test fly my WM UL. I am planning to get a WM standard to keep it company.

Messyboy will love this. 

Jon T reframed a premier Widow into a UL for me. I haven't had light enough wind to see how low it will go, but i had it down to 5mph inland without any walking. It flies great and has made everything I am able to do much easier. Would love to see what the WM std can do though. Great kite for a reasonable budget.

but with the reframing, it will cost as much as a WM i suppose...

iI got mine on clearance. It wasn't much more. Nowhere near as expensive as a WM, but I don't know if a Freestylist would be in order then since the prices are comparable.

Good topic when calling Jon.  The Freestylist UL would fly lower but it always nice to have options as they are different kites but both are a good choice . Plus the Niknak is a wonderful low wind kite for little money if your not into tricks. Sorry I gave mine away 

[Desertflier]

+1 for the Nik Nak     
Flies smooth in very low winds. Not very tricky though.

[messyboy]

Freestylist vs widow std: which one has a lower wind range? Also trickwise, are there any that one can do better than the other? 

What about the ul version?

[Wayner]

Freestylist vs widow std: which one has a lower wind range? Also trickwise, are there any that one can do better than the other? 

What about the ul version?

I can compare the UL versions. Only have the WM std.

Both UL have excelent low wind abilities. The WM has about 2mph higher upper end wind range.

Both are very capable trick kites. Remember the kite does not do the tricks for free. You have to learn them. 

As you are getting started in tricks, both will keep you learning for years. I fly based on what I am in the mood for, not which is better. 

That said. If cost/value is the main issue go with the freestylist. years from now if you have outgrowned it you can sell it and move on to a more advanced kite. 

If you wanted to buy only one UL kite to go from beginner to advanced flyer, the WM would be at the top of my list. 
 

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