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Author Topic: Classic low wind + more freestyle = ??  (Read 391 times)
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« on: January 20, 2015, 07:44 PM »

So tonight the temps were up to 30 with low winds in the single digits.  Flew these two kites until dark



The ZA framed PBSK VP @ 5oz is a classic low wind kite.  Floaty efficient flyer that at times seems to defy gravity and flies with minimal effort.  It does slow graceful flat spins but not much else - at least not with my hands.

My 2PT framed Enigma @ 7oz does not go quite as low as the VP but is capable of backspins, flic-flacs, JLs and more than I can do.

Both of them spin tightly around the lower spreader connector and are fun to fly in their own ways. Quite different kites.

I enjoy the challenge of exploring older classic nice flying designs with modern materials, design ideas and tuning options. There are some nice low wind kites available and some can also trick.  Maybe there's room for one more. Hmmm.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2015, 11:20 PM »

Does the SUL Enigma have a leech line?

I was wondering if any weight could be saved by

folding over the trailing edge and letting it buzz

if the winds picked up. Probably not much.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2015, 04:06 AM »

Yes the Enigma SUL has a leech line.  It is essentially a UL sail with a lighter 2PT frame and bridle tweak which shaves 1.5 oz off the 3PT UL. This is the lightest I can make the kite that still has enough mass and frame stiffness for most tricks.

I made one with all Icarex sail reinforcements and a ZA frame which took off another full ounce.  The frame becomes bendy and tricks much harder.  Did not get as much low wind goodness as desired. Walking 360s are nice with that kite.

The 2PT UL is practical light for the kite. Some redesign needed to make it a true no wind kite.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2015, 04:54 PM »

I myself enjoy low wind flying very much, especial the graceful spinning of my Ocius SUL... in slow motion.
Steve, I noticed you own both the Ocius SUL and the Aura SUL, could you give some of your comments on the character differences of these two kites. The Aura appears to have higher aspect ratio (width/height), how different does it make?
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 05:48 PM »

Yes I have a whole bag of Skyburner kites and would recommend them highly.  The Ocius and Aura are 7' and 6' kites respectively.  Classic sail cuts with higher aspect ratios making for wind efficient kites that trick well.  If you are looking for smaller light wind trickable kites both of these are good flyers and great values.

Not sure which SUL I would recommend as best though I personally like larger kites in the 7.5' to 8' range.

Devin and JonT can chime in here...

I myself enjoy low wind flying very much, especial the graceful spinning of my Ocius SUL... in slow motion.
Steve, I noticed you own both the Ocius SUL and the Aura SUL, could you give some of your comments on the character differences of these two kites. The Aura appears to have higher aspect ratio (width/height), how different does it make?
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2015, 06:04 PM »

So here are some recent videos of the PBSK VP and Enigma SUL pictured above.

Allen shows the smooth graceful flat spin classic goodness of the VP at the beach.  Zen.



Here in an overflow parking lot is me attempting to look controlled in light lumpy inland winds coming over trees and buildings.  Yummy.

Modded Exile SUL


It would be an interesting project to see how many tricks can be added to a classic flying kite without destroying the traits that make it a classic.

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