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« on: November 07, 2012, 02:24 PM »

Hi,

On trying to use colorizers I always have a double issue:

1. Those awful black lines that divide the different pieces of the layout. I really have difficulties to imagine what the layout would look like without those obstrussive lines... Do you have the same issue? I sometimes have the patience of capturing the resulting image, going to photoshop and manually deleting or coloring those artificial borders. But it is a pain in the *#%... Couldn't colorisers save us from those lines? Make them invisible? We are not designing stainedglass windows for baroque cathedrals!   Wink

2. Being even more picky, couldn't we all have a resource of really good pictures of the different types and colors of sail materials? Perhaps even at different distances...? Then these could be used to fill in those areas in the colorisers and we would have a much closer notion of what the kites will finally look like. If each of us send here a link of a picture of a clean close up of those materials we have at hand then coloriser developers could use them...

Anyone else as picky as me?  Wink

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 03:25 PM »

Color matching from a monitor or even a hard copy print is NEVER

going to match what a fabric looks like. There are just too many variables.

Color calibration is just impossible for the casual user to standardize.

What monitor are you using?
What is the white point temperature the user prefers?
Are you in a room that has additional lighting, and if so what type?

Magazine printers have to know such things as

paper to be printed on
lighting the typical reader will have
how old is the ink
what colors are being printed

the list can go on and on.

You can be picky, but even the manufacturers have slight color shifts

from batch to batch.

And then there are factors like

time of day
backlit or frontlit
cloudy or sunny

Good luck! It is a daunting task.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 11:43 PM »

Oh absolutely Chilese.
I'm a computer scientist that has been working around computer graphics for the last 22 years and I know about displays, color issues, perception, cognition, etc.

However, you cannot deny the fact that the problem is already there with the current colorizer systems, in which people nonetheless try to make the colors as "approximate" as they can to the final, right?  Smiley
So doing this from actual material pictures would bring us one step closer to the final, acknowledging all possible limitations.
But one interesting things is that it would not be only a matter of color, the texture is often even more important than color.
Therefore, this would be a plus.  Wink

Now, the first and foremost issue on which to focus, from my point of view (this is why I put it in #1), is the issue of the obtrusive black division lines.
IMO I think this is really a must...
Cheers!
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 04:06 AM »

Oh...personally I love the pin striping!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 04:27 AM »

Right... I was afraid someone would say that  Roll Eyes
but I didn't want to enter the topic before.  Wink

Yes pin striping is great <sometimes>.
But most of the kites do not use pin striping...
... and I think it is not the best option to force people into using pin striping as a default when trying to figure out a new layout for their new kite.

Moreover, the way it works is that you are forced to have black pin striping. What about other options?

And in any case, this could be another option of the coloriser: no pin striping or choose a pin striping colour.   Wink

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 10:48 AM »

You could always make your own version of what the kite would look like to see if

the colors go together.

This picture started with the colorizer and then I worked on it:


Later, the actual kite was given to me as a gift by several members of the Forum (humble emoticon needed)


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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 12:46 PM »

John,

Wow. Very well done. Keep that up and you will force me into buying another WM  Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 02:12 PM »

You could always make your own version of what the kite would look like to see if

the colors go together.

This picture started with the colorizer and then I worked on it
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Beautiful Chilese. Well done!
 But that takes hours of hard photoshop work.
I tried something similar with my Talon UL
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=7308.msg64775#msg64775
and it was hard work.

BTW the Talon colorizer doesn't have the "pin striping" lines!
So why do most others do?

Anyway, your Mamba is beautiful  Huh
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 05:50 PM »

All colorizers have the lines but its how it's programmed that makes the difference.  If you notice some colorizers have thinner lines for the outline and that alone makes them kind of disappear when you fill in the panels.  IMO stop complaining and just be glad you have a colorizer to use at all.  My first prism custom back in the early days was done on a hope it would look good.  All I had then was a list of colors and a panel diagram and an idea in my head. No sample colors either, just names. 

What your talking about is a photoshop grade program and that gets expensive.  IF you really want that much detail in a colorizer, build one and offer it to kite makers for free so they don't have to increase the prices of their kites Tongue
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