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Author Topic: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor  (Read 4479 times)
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Ara Ararauna
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« on: November 12, 2012, 05:34 AM »

Hi, (I searched this web site for this and found no previous talks)

I am thinking of getting an "old school" Prism kite as my next kite.

I like a lot the Elixir (Spectrum specifically) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg
the Illusion, like this one: http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg
and the Vapor, like this one: http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png or this one http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg

So, my question is, although they are "old school" which one is the more apt tricker (flat spins especially)

I thought I had a clear choice towards the Elixir, but I also like the other a lot so I need something to help me choose for this next "investment"  Wink

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 06:13 AM »

Vapor...if you can find one is a super duper ultra light wind kite.....worth the money if you find one....master of flat spins....
Elixir and Illys are more normal wind ranges kites......and slightly more prevalent in the used kite world....
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2012, 07:05 AM »

Thanks Thief.

Oops, I had missed the fact that Vapor is so SUL...  Embarrassed   (I should have guessed by the name...)  Roll Eyes
I was not planing on buying an SUL but now that I come to think of it, I already have an STD and a UL so it would indeed complete the collection...

Hmmm... yes, perhaps...

In any case, I'm still open to more opinions.

Thanks!
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2012, 07:11 AM »

Ha, that's my Illusion. Love that kite. Great sideslides!
You might consider getting an Eclipse if you can find one. Still very oldschool (designed years before the Illusion) but also capable of a lot of newer school tricks. Certainly a lot more then the Illusion.



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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2012, 08:12 AM »

For standard wind kites, the Illusion would be the best flat spin kite on your list, but it's not all that great compared to other kites that were made around the same time. The Trick Tail is probably king of flat spins.

If you want to stick with Prism, the Prophecy is quite nice for flat spins and easier to fly than the Illusion.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2012, 08:50 AM »

Hi Ara, what I can say is that Vapor is a super old school SUL, very hard to find and however pricey if you are so lucky to find one. It flies almost in no wind even if flags are still and it flies beautifully with rare elegance: flat spins, axels, 540s, pinwheels, side slide, fades are so gorgeous to see. No yoyo based tricks. In my opinion it's a world apart among kites to fly gently, slowly, with no hurry.
Illusion is a great kite, you can do a lot of tricks but still no yoyo based ones. Great flat spins, side slides and also  Jacob's ladder.
Elixir is the more modern among the 3 you mentioned, higher aspect ratio, close to nowadays designs but stil great in all flat spins, fades, and side slide, but also capable in yoyo based tricks even if doesn't feature yoyo stoppers, but you can however add them remebering to cover upper APA to allow lines sliding  Wink
It can easily yoyo even if it doesn't have any tail weight.
Hope this helps, and if you want an Elixir.....you know where to grab one  Wink

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2012, 12:07 PM »

There was a Vapor on the FA forum the other week....for about 30 minutes!...now has a very happy new owner -not me  Sad ... very nice kite. Tongue

There is an Air Dynamics Darkstar on UK Ebay if anyone is interested.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 03:37 AM »

Do you have the specs of that turbo bridle, SKB?
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2012, 09:00 AM »

Do you have the specs of that turbo bridle, SKB?


Just found this http://www.findfreegraphics.com/image-62/eclipse+turbo.htm
I don't know if those measures are the Prism's official ones, maybe someone else could say.

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2012, 09:29 AM »

There is an Air Dynamics Darkstar on UK Ebay if anyone is interested.
Judging by the pic. and original price that's not the original, Breeze-framed, multi-kite indoor record DarkStar but the look-a-like outdoor standard version. Oh and the seller seems to think it's fibreglass framed Roll Eyes

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 10:24 AM »

That cloudy day is a perfect backdrop for the water

reflected Eclipse. Long time fav pic of mine.

Nicely done skb™.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 12:17 PM »

thanks a bunch!

my sul (teal) still has the bridle with the inhauls attached at the tail.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 12:22 PM »

Ah, Weegee.. local hero.. Wink

A friend of mine made his hobby to be somewhat Weegee-like.

He ended up retiring on the proceeds.

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2012, 10:54 AM »

Hi, (I searched this web site for this and found no previous talks)

I am thinking of getting an "old school" Prism kite as my next kite.

I like a lot the Elixir (Spectrum specifically) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg
the Illusion, like this one: http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg
and the Vapor, like this one: http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png or this one http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg

So, my question is, although they are "old school" which one is the more apt tricker (flat spins especially)

I thought I had a clear choice towards the Elixir, but I also like the other a lot so I need something to help me choose for this next "investment"  Wink

Thanks.


The second Vapor is mine!  Smiley  Small world!  Amazing and beautiful kite.  Best of luck in your search.  It would take an awful lot to get me to part with mine!
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2012, 02:11 PM »

 Wink

For the time being I haven't seen any kites through the vapor... I mean fog...  Cry
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