4 Winners AVFFF "Trick Challenge" Now CLOSED

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[red sweater]

Since I will never be able to win these, I'm thinking of using my wife's sewing machine (which I have almost never touched) to turn a set of Prism straps into a resemblance of their Duo straps. I assume it's not that hard? Just fold them up and stitch it a few times?

What benefit are all those overhand knots on the leader? Do they help adjust for stretched lines or something?

Something like username: Winterdaze made? Yes, the four overhand knots are used for quick in-field line adjustments.

Yeah, like that. I knew I'd seen this idea implement in this forum, but didn't have the time right then to do a search.

I might try out the webbing, though. I'll have to see the material first hand to get an idea of whether it might work.

[vertigo2u]

Yea !! Like everyone can paint like Picaso    ... You guys don't get it.    Norm is a "Master".      You don't try,attempt,duplicate,the Master.    You only bear witness in Aaahhhhhh.    Then beg the Master as I have for a pair or win em'  ... copyright,copyright,copyright. 

[NormP]

Since I will never be able to win these,

What can I do to help you learn the trick to win a pair? Do you need a video of me showing the inputs only and not using the kite. I'll do what can to help you do the trick. If I can do the trick, it is not hard to do. You need to watch the video and in particular watch what I am doing. If you don't understand something then all you need to do is ask questions. Don't sell yourself short. Read all the tips I have posted. Good luck

[NormP]

Yea !! Like everyone can paint like Picaso    ... You guys don't get it.    Norm is a "Master".      You don't try,attempt,duplicate,the Master.    You only bear witness in Aaahhhhhh.    Then beg the Master as I have for a pair or win em'  ... copyright,copyright,copyright. 

You NEVER cease to amaze me Joe. Anybody can make straps, but I would love to see their finished product. I've been at it for 3 years with many mistakes/errors. Lots of Proto type I was almost ashamed to GIVE away. If anyone tries to make them like mine (which I don't care) I sure hope they don't try to sew them on their wife's sewing machine. Failure is imminent. Be sure to hand sew them. If you decide to try send me a PM I'll help in any way I can, short of sending you one of my sewing needles. Good Luck

[red sweater]

Since I will never be able to win these,

What can I do to help you learn the trick to win a pair? Do you need a video of me showing the inputs only and not using the kite. I'll do what can to help you do the trick. If I can do the trick, it is not hard to do. You need to watch the video and in particular watch what I am doing. If you don't understand something then all you need to do is ask questions. Don't sell yourself short. Read all the tips I have posted. Good luck

Maybe I'm being too eeyore here. Thanks for being encouraging. I just don't get out to fly much, so naturally my skill level is slow to increase. I've had a Quantum for a few years, but only caught the trick bug last year, and so I got some better kites. But having our first kid made getting out of the house (for just about anything, let alone an activity only I enjoy, while my wife just passes the time) more difficult. Maybe I'll be able to do better this coming year, when it warms up again. Of course, I'm inland, too.

I have a long list of things I want to learn or improve, but right now, all I can do is axels and half axels (across my body -- I need to change that before I can try a cascade). I once held a fade for about 10 seconds. So there's that.

[Ara Ararauna]

Arggggghhh! I'll never make it... 

I just can't fade!
I'm currently really getting the hang of spin tricks: Axels, HalfAxels, Cascades, 540's, even today I tried the Taz and I got quite a few and on both sides!

But fade is sooooo difficult for me....

Norm, I know you told me I have the right tool (meaning the TalonUL), but I cannot get it to fade! Argh!!!! 
I can more or less get it to fade if I barely let it flare and then pull hard but the kite 99 out of 100 times bounces back down, exits the momentary fade and falls.
If I let the kite really pancake deep, then it likes to stay there and will not come out no matter how HARD I pop... *sigh*

So, if I can't fade, how can I flick flack. And if I can't flick flack, how can I ever get an AVFFF!

So keep my handles in the freeze so that they don't rot, 'cause I think it's going to take ages before I get it... 

[NormP]

I just can't fade!
But fade is sooooo difficult for me....
Norm, I know you told me I have the right tool (meaning the TalonUL), but I cannot get it to fade!
If I let the kite really pancake deep, then it likes to stay there and will not come out no matter how HARD I pop... *sigh*
so keep my handles in the freeze so that they don't rot, 'cause I think it's going to take ages before I get it... 

1. Don't let the Talon go to a full pancake......Go look at Double AVFFF video. See how very little I allow it to pancake.
2. Try using 65' lines. Better control in light wind (UL) you can also see what the kite is doing better on 65' lines.
3. Do an Axel and when the nose of kite is straight away from you pop back into fade.
4. Place belly of kite down nose away. Pop lines...reach forward to a Fade launch. It "locks in" better.
I will put your finger straps in a zip-lock to preserve them.    You'll get it with MORE practice.

[Charles P]

 We are for sure on the same page and I'm sure you will be one of the four winners.   
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 Norm, thanks for the vote of confidence, I guess we shall see. I'll be working hard on this trick given the opportunity but unfortunatly the weather here in Washington has other ideas!   

 Ara, try the things Norm told you to do to get into the fade, if you are good at axles it may be easier for you to get into the fade mid axle. I have also experienced that some kites almost refuse to fade from a flare but those same kites easily fade from an axle.  Keep trying and good luck, I think we will both get this trick figured out eventually!   

[Ca Ike]

Arggggghhh! I'll never make it... 

I just can't fade!
I'm currently really getting the hang of spin tricks: Axels, HalfAxels, Cascades, 540's, even today I tried the Taz and I got quite a few and on both sides!

But fade is sooooo difficult for me....

Norm, I know you told me I have the right tool (meaning the TalonUL), but I cannot get it to fade! Argh!!!! 
I can more or less get it to fade if I barely let it flare and then pull hard but the kite 99 out of 100 times bounces back down, exits the momentary fade and falls.
If I let the kite really pancake deep, then it likes to stay there and will not come out no matter how HARD I pop... *sigh*

So, if I can't fade, how can I flick flack. And if I can't flick flack, how can I ever get an AVFFF!

So keep my handles in the freeze so that they don't rot, 'cause I think it's going to take ages before I get it... 

So what you do here is STOP WORKING ON THE AVFF.  if you can't get a decent fade then you need to step back to the basics and forget ALL advanced tricks.  I spent most of the monthly fly helping someone with just that.  IF you can't fade, slide, stall and flic flac well then you really don't have the line control for anything more.  This trick needs a lot of line tension management to get right and the feel you need to hold and control a good fade is very important.  Work on fade launches, flare/fade, fade control and flic flacs first.  The catch of the nose and the line control to do that right as well as stabilize a fade if your a bit off in particular is what you need. You have to not only catch the fade but the reverse turtle as well and if your off on the line tension you will either  over rotate the turtle position or not catch the fade right going nose high or snapping out to a lawn dart.  Of course now that I know the feel of  it I just need to chain a bunch together in frame on vid  

[Wayner]

Norm,
You better put my straps in the frezer as well. It will be a while before I can pull off this challange. 

Final finished this semester of Nursing school. 
Then spent my first sesson just struggling to hold a fade. I can't be too suprised at how taking four months off from flying has sure reduced my already limited skills. 

Just now leaving for a vacation so I won't have a chance to pick up the lines until after christmas. 

Arggggghhh! I'll never make it... 

I just can't fade!

I'm currently really getting the hang of spin tricks: Axels, HalfAxels, Cascades, 540's, even today I tried the Taz and I got quite a few and on both sides!

But fade is sooooo difficult for me....

+1 on the fade launch. This was the 2nd trick I learned. Great place to start as it is much easier than the fade.

[NormP]

Norm,
You better put my straps in the frezer as well. It will be a while before I can pull off this challange. 
Final finished this semester of Nursing school. 
Then spent my first sesson just struggling to hold a fade. I can't be too suprised at how taking four months off from flying has sure reduced my already limited skills. 
Just now leaving for a vacation so I won't have a chance to pick up the lines until after christmas. 
+1 on the fade launch. This was the 2nd trick I learned. Great place to start as it is much easier than the fade.

Looks like I'm going to run out of zip-loks before I do webbing.  Glad you finished final and get to go on a vacation. I know you'll get the trick Wayne. You don't need to hold the Fade very long before you pop that Nose back under for another rotation.

[vertigo2u]

I found this today .... So Close that day.... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I still see Four  >>>   I think Norm needs glasses 

 

Four on the floor

[Charles P]

I still see Four  >>>   I think Norm needs glasses 

 

 Three and a half!! Arent fades supose to be paralell to the earth?   
  I was going to submit my video of me completing this challenge but I didn't think anyone would buy that I did a perfect set of nine AVFFF's two in camera frame and seven just out of the picture.     I need a better camera person!   

 Seriously though, looks pretty good, I'm still trying to get a clean 3 then onto 4.  Seem to be stuck on two right now but the weather is not producing many favorable days right now.

  Good Luck and Happy New Year!!

[DWayne]

The American version of a French Flic Flak is called a Flip Flop and you guys aren't doing it.
Check out Shawn's Hells Bells video if you want to learn to do the trick correctly.

Denny

[vertigo2u]

Norm's video shows us how to do it correctly..it's a matter of doing four in a row with control..

The Challenge is to do it like "Norm"... Not the sloppy stuff I did in the video.  That was months ago.... You have to do it just like Norm and smooth... Then you Win... We call the trick The French Flic Flak American version...

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