AVFFF "Trick Challenge"

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[Wayner]

Well Norm no straps for me 
Not sure what I did to tick off the wind gods but I have not had any usable wind since the holidays to work on the AAFFF. 

The flags have either been stiff or limp requiring a SUL or venter kites. Sometimes I get both winds on the same day. on the same day. Last Friday night fly I got there early to face 20mph winds. When night fell so did the wind. When the rest of the gang showed up we spent the night taking turns flying my Prodanceer SUL. 

Picked up a couple of nice used kites the Soul for my holiday break including  but not had any usable wind fo fly them. With Nursing school starting up my kite bag will be going into the closet until spring break.     Hope the wind gods will be kind to me then. 

[glk47]

Norm -

All the videos you posted in this thread (two?) fail on "private video" for me.

Larry

[NormP]

Norm -

All the videos you posted in this thread (two?) fail on "private video" for me.

Larry

Larry....Videos fixed. For better viewing click on the title name at the lower left side of the video. It takes you to You Tube and seems to be in better sync. Easier on the eyes.

[n893]

Amazing Vid...

[NormP]

If the wind speed is up....Do them higher in the wind window. Video is a bit shaky using a small video cam mounted on a baseball cap.

Silver Fox Pro Morro Bay

[Wayner]

Sweet video with the helmet cam.

[Ara Ararauna]

If the wind speed is up....Do them higher in the wind window. Video is a bit shaky using a small video cam mounted on a baseball cap.

Darn, darn, darn! I need to get my fade act running to be able to start trying the AVFFF!

The other day at the beach I had an hour of soft but VERY regular wind.
I took my TalonUL out and started to practice fades.

I started them from the floor, belly up and letting the wind push the nose of the kite back. Then just a gentle pull and the kite was up in the air with a nice fade. Walk slowly back and control always the lower wing (by pulling the hand that is opposite) as the kite raised.

6 rising fades like that I could do! 
From floor to very high up.

In three of them, when I had the fade high up, I pulled the kite by popping both lines to make a dip and go into a pancake (I didn't yet let the kite roll past that into the fade again as the AVFFF needs).
But once in the pancake I couldn't get the kite back out... argh! I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I pop the lines again to make the nose of the kite pop from pointing back to pointing towards me again. But the kite just refuses to move and it just turns oddly and ugly and out of any stable position back into lateral flying.

Anyway, slowly coming.... but so slowly that I'll be able to use my new Pulliam handles in my daycare residence... 

[Hadge]

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In three of them, when I had the fade high up, I pulled the kite by popping both lines to make a dip and go into a pancake (I didn't yet let the kite roll past that into the fade again as the AVFFF needs).
But once in the pancake I couldn't get the kite back out... argh! I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I pop the lines again to make the nose of the kite pop from pointing back to pointing towards me again. But the kite just refuses to move and it just turns oddly and ugly and out of any stable position back into lateral flying.

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I don't know if the Talon is one of them, but if you are trying to do the flic flac move  ( flare to fade) some kites don't like coming back into the fade position if you let the flare go too flat. When you put the kite into the flare position ( nose away) try pulling back for the fade just before the kite goes horizontal and at the same time walk towards the kite a little, you may find that solves the problem.

You can also get into the fade from the axel - axel the kite but as the kite is halfway through the rotation pop both lines and it should turn into a fade. Check out Randy G's flic flac tutorial and keep practising!

Don't give up! It's very hard to learn on your own, I know I have had to do this and it takes ages but it will eventually come. If you get a chance to fly with other pilots you will find you can learn things so much more quickly.

[hawkerhunter]

Ara.. Dont be afraid to use some short sharp aggressive inputs with the Talon UL. It will respond well.

[Ara Ararauna]

I don't know if the Talon is one of them, but if you are trying to do the flic flac move  ( flare to fade) some kites don't like coming back into the fade position if you let the flare go too flat. When you put the kite into the flare position ( nose away) try pulling back for the fade just before the kite goes horizontal and at the same time walk towards the kite a little, you may find that solves the problem.

OK, I will try that but I did try different positions of the flare when I did that. I'll keep trying.

You can also get into the fade from the axel - axel the kite but as the kite is halfway through the rotation pop both lines and it should turn into a fade. Check out Randy G's flic flac tutorial and keep practising!

Yep! I'm also (and was also that day) practising that. It is still not quite there but it'll come. Funny I have been trying for ages to axel with my right and get into the fade with both hands or with my left, and recently I'm being able to do it when axelling (if that verb exists ) with my left and pulling for the fade with my right... but it usually does it by chance and I'm so surprized when I get it that then I can't hold the fade for more than a second or two... 

Keep tryin', keep tryin', keep tryin', keep tryin', ...

[Ara Ararauna]

Ara.. Dont be afraid to use some short sharp aggressive inputs with the Talon UL. It will respond well.

OK, thanks. Good advise. I do sometimes act cautiously with the UL. I'll be ruthless now 

[bryan beasley]

There's no dead spot in the flare with the Talon - anywhere will do. I'd suggest trying to keep moving forward as you pull (not pop) the nose back under with equal strength inputs with both hands.

Bryan

[vertigo2u]

Norm you got them working now... Good Job buddy... I just wish the weather would change.  Last Sunday it was actually 60 degrees and this Sunday about 18 degrees... How much for the room in the trailer

[NormP]

You can also get into the fade from the axel - axel the kite but as the kite is halfway through the rotation pop both lines and it should turn into a fade. Check out Randy G's flic flac tutorial and keep practising!

Ara...The Silver Fox video shows this move to a fade....right at the biginning.

All of this webbing just waiting for the first four videos.......and nothing. 

[NormP]

Staying low looking for sand crabs to thump in the head.    This kite is a very forgiving, if you haven't already noticed. Sloppy inputs and stays right with it. If you don't already have one, just maybe you should. Maybe even a new Duende. 

Fox Pro Looking for Sand Crabs

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