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[Wayner]

maybe watching my handwork and feetwork can help other people

 

[RobB]

when i was filming for VF25 i tried to do this trick

no, i'm not a beginner, so save the straps for someone else
maybe watching my handwork and feetwork can help other people

https://vimeo.com/59799289

Thanks, Krijn... that's exactly how I do them... in my mind ! I do notice that even with a TNT, the first few are stronger than the last few.
I can't wait to get back out there and practice these some more.

[Krijn]

I do notice that even with a TNT, the first few are stronger than the last few.

yes, maybe that's true

a possible explanation: when the kite returns in the fade-position, you can let the nose go a bit higher, pulling it down again is a bit easier that way


the tnt ul comp isn't a great kite for this trick (i think the std and strong are much better (or the ul, without the competition), they are easier to yoyo), i had to use firm inputs

[RobB]

I did notice that you use very firm, commanding inputs. Most of the kites I fly don't require much more than a flick of the wrist, and a bunch of slack. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong ? You don't seem to use too much room moving forward, and when I try this trick, I move at least 5 feet forward per cycle. I've never flown a TNT, either, so I have no idea how much different the inputs may be.

[Charles P]

when i was filming for VF25 i tried to do this trick

no, i'm not a beginner, so save the straps for someone else
maybe watching my handwork and feetwork can help other people

 Sweet flying Krijn!!! I have this one finally figured out and hope to catch it on video tomorrow. I will be posting it shortly there after. I only hope my set looks half as good as what you were doing in the video!!

 Ok, hopefully three quaters as good.   

[vertigo2u]

If it snows one more day  ... I'm burning my kites    I need those straps  .... But it has got to stop snowing every other day  ... Warms up and rains ...then snows all in one day.  The weatherman doesn't understand the pressure I am under  .... 

p.s.- 

[ko]

perfect music for the vid

[ko]

Rob if the conditions allow you to flic flac without moving your feet, you do not need to move much at all for the over rotation The fearless do not need a whole lot of input to bring them out.For me it seems, I pull to go into the trick about as much as I pull to get out
 in Krijn's vid the song is about rhythm ps I really like the looks of your new kite

[RobB]

I'm just reviewing more video of my attempts (all I've got is time to sit around these days) and I'm going to blame it on lack of wind in my last session. I'll post a follow-up video (to Snow Devil) when I'm done clipping, and hopefully someone can spot what's wrong. If it has to do with rhythm, I'm at a loss... I had to quit drumming because I have no natural rhythm.   

[hawkerhunter]

If you check out Si,s video (Roisinroisin)you will see that like Ko suggests there is very little forward movement required for this trick. I fly with Si and he can bang these out all day long and barely takes a step forward. We use Talons and I suppose like everything else it all depends on the strength of the wind and the kite as to how you get the slack in the lines to allow the rotation.

[Wayner]

If you check out Si,s video (Roisinroisin)you will see that like Ko suggests there is very little forward movement required for this trick. I fly with Si and he can bang these out all day long and barely takes a step forward. We use Talons and I suppose like everything else it all depends on the strength of the wind as to how you get the slack in the lines to allow the rotation.

I have found the lenght of roll up is kite specfic. I'm 6'2 and can rollup my Talon and Tekken with out stepping forward. full size kites (WM,Mongoos and Infinity) require me to step forward. 

Have problems rolling up my shadow and WM UL in really low winds 2-3mph. when I get a little more wind, they rollup fine. but now I can fly the talon any maybe even the Tekken and they rollup quickier and don't require me to walk forward, so I fly them. 

 

[Wayner]

If it snows one more day  ... I'm burning my kites    I need those straps  .... But it has got to stop snowing every other day  ... Warms up and rains ...then snows all in one day.  The weatherman doesn't understand the pressure I am under  .... 

p.s.- 

Joe you need to come to Las Vegas for our weekly fly. Just bring your shorts and t-shirt, temp in be in the 60's.  

We got your kites covered with WM, Ocius and the Solus.      You just need to bring out you Aura 

p.s  Bring some snow. We don't have any of that stuff here and it sounds like you have plenty.

[vertigo2u]

Thanks Wayne I need the up lift... Temps in 20's today and it feels like 3 degrees.

If you watch Norms video he barely moves forward or back ward... In my early attempts I found myself running a half a mile while attempting to do more than one.  I think I posted all my mistakes... 

If you watch Norm he stands and it's a 1-2-3 and done.  As I have gotten better doing three in a row.  I don't move as much.  I extend my arms out more in front and then backwards all the way... Watch Norm..  I get all anxious after I finish two really nice one's then a third and I loose it..

My problem is getting past the #4 Block.  I have posted 3 7/8 AVFFF but Mr.California Beach And Sun and Warm air    Would not count it.
I do my best when I imatate Norm extending his arms all the way forward.... ( when the weather changes I am going to fly everyday)...

Cheap flight to Vegas on the strip Hotel and fly all day..better than a good day at the tables....

The Kid really made a spcial kite in the Aura ... I know I'm getting one soon as he gets back.  Problem is as Devin mentioned.  Cost. A lot of wasted material in making one.  In the end.  So what ?

I watched Devin trick the Ocius Sul.  When I got one I couldn't fly worth a darn. But,now a days I am getting the hang of things.  I love flying my Sul. He tricks the heck out of a Sul.  But to see him with absoluty No Wind tricking his new kite was scary ... One thing for sure No Wind Vegas in the summer won't matter ...

[Ca Ike]

If you check out Si,s video (Roisinroisin)you will see that like Ko suggests there is very little forward movement required for this trick. I fly with Si and he can bang these out all day long and barely takes a step forward. We use Talons and I suppose like everything else it all depends on the strength of the wind as to how you get the slack in the lines to allow the rotation.

I have found the lenght of roll up is kite specfic. I'm 6'2 and can rollup my Talon and Tekken with out stepping forward. full size kites (WM,Mongoos and Infinity) require me to step forward. 

Have problems rolling up my shadow and WM UL in really low winds 2-3mph. when I get a little more wind, they rollup fine. but now I can fly the talon any maybe even the Tekken and they rollup quickier and don't require me to walk forward, so I fly them. 

 

This is true here.  Not only is movement kite specific but wind specific as well.  Common mistake I make and I have seen other make is not doing a strong enough input.  You need to be more firm that regular flic flac inputs.  If you do a regular flic flac input it will require more movement to get it to roll up.  Basically do the same input as you would if your trying a yoyo.

[Wayner]

If you check out Si,s video (Roisinroisin)you will see that like Ko suggests there is very little forward movement required for this trick. I fly with Si and he can bang these out all day long and barely takes a step forward. We use Talons and I suppose like everything else it all depends on the strength of the wind as to how you get the slack in the lines to allow the rotation.

I have found the lenght of roll up is kite specfic. I'm 6'2 and can rollup my Talon and Tekken with out stepping forward. full size kites (WM,Mongoos and Infinity) require me to step forward. 

Have problems rolling up my shadow and WM UL in really low winds 2-3mph. when I get a little more wind, they rollup fine. but now I can fly the talon any maybe even the Tekken and they rollup quickier and don't require me to walk forward, so I fly them. 

 

This is true here.  Not only is movement kite specific but wind specific as well.  Common mistake I make and I have seen other make is not doing a strong enough input.  You need to be more firm that regular flic flac inputs.  If you do a regular flic flac input it will require more movement to get it to roll up.  Basically do the same input as you would if your trying a yoyo.

Thanks. I will try making the change.

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