Double AVFFF

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[NormP]

Done it twice , phew just how hard do you have to run at a kite 
Now got to get it on video
My tip is if you dont have the lightning reactions of Usain Bolt when you give the input to start the rotations and start running keep your hands by your side this gives you the option to outstretch your arms for a extra bit of slack   
Simon

Might want to try a pair of track shoes.   

This was your tip. Good on ya and I can't wait to see your video. Oh, and I hope Steve and Ian will be in the video doing them, which will add bonus points. 

[Wayner]

Wayne... your video from a different angle helps me to understand this trick. I've done this to the point that you got (while practicing the single AVFFF), and unrolled, but I never tried adding another 1/2 rotation to it. I may not get this one right away because I'm not supposed to run for a while. Maybe I can do 1, but 2 reps... I don't know.
One thing I see in your video is that it looks like your input for the unroll is a little sharp. The guys from kite hill (Tom, Jim, Reggie) helped me with my unrolls back when I used to post my 'what am I doing wrong' videos a few years ago. They told me to calm the input, and just take a few steps back with a gradual pull.
~Rob.

Thanks for the feedback on my unrolls being sharp.  I am always learning to temper my inputs.

My tip is if you dont have the lightning reactions of Usain Bolt when you give the input to start the rotations and start running keep your hands by your side this gives you the option to outstretch your arms for a extra bit of slack   

Simon

I will have to try this tried everything else 

Boy this trick is hard, Thanks Norm. 

First I find it hard to get two rotations. 1 1/2 is easy the last 1/2 rotation the kite loses most of its momentum. Plus you have to have to the kite lined up really straight.

If the lines catch the kite winding up it slows and never get to 2 rotations. 

I tried poping with my hand back as far as possible but the line always catches my elbows. (sorry no video) 

If I sprint full speed the lines are too slack and often miss the yoyo stopper or rollup bars. 

Then I tried running forward with my hands together in front of me to keep the lines near the nose. This worked better at catching the yoyo stopper, but not the ideal sprinting postion that Usain Bolt uses.
 
I think I just need to lose about 10 lbs. 

[NormP]

phew just how hard do you have to run at a kite 
My tip is if you dont have the lightning reactions of Usain Bolt when you give the input to start the rotations and start running keep your hands by your side this gives you the option to outstretch your arms for a extra bit of slack   
Simon

you must literally RUN forward to create enough SLACK to allow the kite to roll under twice. Hit the brakes and back-peddle until unrolled.

Here was another nice tip. 

[NormP]

Wayne.....Do you find yourself slipping (loosing traction) on the grass? I have to be on the wet/moist sand to get enough traction to do this trick. There is NO way I could do it on the loose sand. It is at least FUN to try it. Just wait until you complete the two rotations. If you're anything like me (over weight) and out of shape, you'll be breathing heavy. 

[Wayner]

Wayne.....Do you find yourself slipping (loosing traction) on the grass? I have to be on the wet/moist sand to get enough traction to do this trick. There is NO way I could do it on the loose sand. It is at least FUN to try it. Just wait until you complete the two rotations. If you're anything like me (over weight) and out of shape, you'll be breathing heavy. 

No problem slipping on the grass. I don't move that fast.

My issues are old age, overweight and asmtha. Other than that this trick is a piece of cake.

[NormP]

My issues are old age, overweight and asmtha. Other than that this trick is a piece of cake.

- asmtha

+ old age, overweight, & out of shape. I guess I should do more Double AVFFF's and try more rotations, because I'm not going to quit drinking beer after a hard day flying kites. 

[NormP]

This is the best way to do this trick.        Good job Simon!! 

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[roisinroisin21]

 





C`mon   Norm , we both know thats a old picture of me taken 3yrs ago  while training for GB olympic team 100 m sprint

[Smeagol]

Hah, nice. 

I tried this trick a bit yesterday with the TNT Zero, but I don't think it has enough mass.  I couldn't manage even one.  I blame our crappy inland winds.  Yeah, that's definitely the problem.   

[NormP]

Hah, nice. 
I tried this trick a bit yesterday with the TNT Zero, but I don't think it has enough mass.  I couldn't manage even one.  I blame our crappy inland winds.  Yeah, that's definitely the problem.   

You are probably right on both counts. Not enough mass and crappy winds. I think a SUL will
roll under to slow, so to do a double roll under is probably next to impossible. Go to a UL and come to the Morro Bay kite festival the last week-end in April and I'll have you doing the "Double" AVFFF and 4 rotations of the AVFFF. I'm finding out the hardest part of instructing is the student not following the instructions.      If your line-sets are still off three inches after flying kites for 2 years, you're in trouble. I'm just saying.......     

[NormP]

C`mon   Norm , we both know thats a old picture of me taken 3yrs ago  while training for GB olympic team 100 m sprint

Oh, shoot I just realized I got the faces mixed up on northernmonkeyskitegroup. The picture was of Ian.   

[NormP]

I haven't heard anything from Simon from the UK, so while I was at the Morro Bay Kite Festival I decided to do two rotations of the Double AVFFF. I'm almost 68 years old and 68 pounds over weight and completely out of shape. Don't laugh if you watch this. It shows how much slack is required to do a Double AVFFF. The winds were perfect and temps were up so my lovely wife video recorded it for me. I got lucky. But, if I can do it almost anybody can do it.

Two rotations Double AVFFF Morro Bay

[whitebirdlover]

Just goes to show what you can do with those "custom straps"...

Now, If we can get out from under all these snow storms, I just might have a chance to break in a pair

[RobB]

Norm... wow, dude, you sure can hustle ! I better step it up !

I finally got to fly in a good smooth wind again, and realize how badly out of practice I am. This trick is going to take some time, I couldn't even get one. I couldn't do more than 2 single AVFFF's in a row, but I think I might have bee flying to heavy of a kite for the wind. Oh, well.
Still out there... still trying...

[NormP]

Just goes to show what you can do with those "custom straps"...

ssshhh.....Don't tell anybody, but I was using Premier straps  .......in a pigs eye.

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