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« on: December 06, 2012, 10:05 PM »

So i have a Really old sea devil mid vent that i really like. Te looks are great and it flies great. I also have a fearless vented light ame a transformer ssul...

So with lams kites, its hard to tell what the size diffences are in the sails, and the weight of the frames.

So i am debating, should i get a full vent sea devil for those high wind days that i dont want to break out the quads?
Or should i get a different model full vent?
Last option would be to. Replace my tired old mid vent sea devil with a new icarex one?
I know technically you can fly the full vent light i havein high winds but it does not feel like its going to survive it some times...
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 06:28 AM »

I think Lam has two FV, one is FVL with 3PT bottom spreaders, and the other FVS with 5PT bottom spreaders.  I can fly with the 5PT one at like 30mph of wind though I pretty much cannot do any tricks.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 07:01 AM »

Flying any sport kite in 30 mph winds is a trick in itself.  Huh

My most heavily vented kite would have trouble in 30 mph winds

if I wanted it to do more than hang stalled at the top of the window

until the wind backed down to the low 20's.

Voodoo vented:


Have you really flown a sport kite in 30 mph winds?
Not just stalled it at the top and waited for the wind to subside,
but flown it around?
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 08:04 AM »

Flying in this high wind is pointless - but it better than sitting in front of the TV set?

My pick would be the L'Atelier xt.z. with 150# test lines.

I never flew in winds above 20-22 mph or so because I am always flying on the beach ... after this level the beach sand becomes airborne.

As you can see I still keep this kite just in case I am foolish enough to fly in these high winds but for me its high teens.

Your better off getting a Fearless SUL Vented which I am planning to order in February 2013 as my new kite. Once you trick a Lam kite why buzz around in CIRCLES and Figure 8's at 30 mph?

Whatever ...

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In my kite inventory of Dual Line Kites: Benson - Inner Space, Signature Kite of Top Pilots on an Old Style Gemini ; L'Atelier xt.z. ; Fearless-Tatto (SSUL), Fearless - SUL, Light & Light-Vent , Transformer TL's: (SUL & Light), Transformer 2 SUL & UL.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2012, 09:51 AM »

Transformer vent - 5 pt frame.   Assuming that you like the way your currnent Trans flys. 

2 bits of high wind flying advice.

1) He who hesitates is lost. 

You can do it all, but its all about speed.  So, you've already got to be ahead of the kite for trick flying, now you need to do all that in much less time.


2) Some tricks are easier than others.

In 20-30, you will find it hard to flick flack or JL in the middle of the window without sprinting forward.   However, you can comete, insane, cascade anywhere in the window while just standing there.

So, unless you want a workout, cerain tricks anywhere, others nearer the edge.
Also, you have to keep the kite tricking combos if you want to maintain control.  If you allow it to stop, the sail will find wind and power up on you.

Trans is good because it is smaller, sheds wind very well on the nose-forward knot, has little pull, and can trick/maneuver very quickly when you tell it to.


Anyhow, just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2012, 10:19 AM »

i am looking for 15-22 range. any more than 20 and out comes the full vent rev.

I do like the transformer, but it being an ssul its a bit hard to judge how the kite will be have on the upper edge of flying.

I do like my Sea Devil a lot... so if the Trans is smaller and the sea devil is older bigger, I assume the SD would be harder to trick in high winds?

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2012, 11:26 AM »

i am looking for 15-22 range. any more than 20 and out comes the full vent rev.

I do like the transformer, but it being an ssul its a bit hard to judge how the kite will be have on the upper edge of flying.

I do like my Sea Devil a lot... so if the Trans is smaller and the sea devil is older bigger, I assume the SD would be harder to trick in high winds?


15-22 mph, I would just fly the FVL - no problem.  I fly mine all the time in that, nose-forward knot. When you see the kite start to get a 'round' appearance to it, put it away.  Although, I've flown mine while the lower LEs were curving a bit and had no issues (I think precision gets better actually).   If you are concerned, you could always reframe it to 5pt - that wind is childs play with that frame.

Trans is the easiest tricking kite I've flown, particularly in higher winds when other become a handful. It's just much more agile than the SD. 


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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 11:56 AM »

Alright I will just fly the FLVL and tell Lam you talked me out of buying a new kite  Cheesy

Actually, I suppose the best thing is to replace my Sea Devil since its really beat up.

I would love to fly a Trans STD or mid vent in higher winds if it tricks as well as you say. Then theres always the fact I need a Lam SUL.
I suppose I just like the looks of the Sea devil more than the Trans...
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 12:09 PM »

I recently bought TomP's Fearless-Devil Vented Light and am loving it more than any of the other Lam kites I have flown. I'm still a novice, so I'm probably talking out of my left ear, but it feels more responsive, trickier, and the graphics are the best of all worlds.

Tom can speak to it's wind range - I've only had it in low winds to this point. Just thought I'd throw the option out there for you to consider.

Edit- link to pictures of the FDVL Tom sold me:
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=8022.msg71103#msg71103

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 01:25 PM »

You can just buy another set of 5PTs bottom spreaders and pair with your current 3PTs for your FV.  Then you should be able to accomodate all the high wind flying.

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 01:58 PM »

Alright I will just fly the FLVL and tell Lam you talked me out of buying a new kite  Cheesy

Actually, I suppose the best thing is to replace my Sea Devil since its really beat up.

Ah, want vs need - the age old canundrum!  Smiley.   Whatever you get, I'm sure you will like it!
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 03:38 PM »

Have Lam make you a Rev / Vented Rev.

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 04:34 PM »

I recently bought TomP's Fearless-Devil Vented Light and am loving it more than any of the other Lam kites I have flown.

Tom can speak to it's wind range - I've only had it in low winds to this point. Just thought I'd throw the option out there for you to consider.


Nancy,

Glad that you are enjoying the kite!  You don't know how much I deliberated over selling that one - it hurt!  But, I've now got a full set of Tekken, so it all works out.  And, I've still got a full set of FL.

That one is a custom Lam did for me that is 3pt/5pt.   It works - the frame is a bit stronger due to the 5pt LLE which curbs LE bending/rounding as you get close to 30 and you also get a bit more mass for lower wind flying making certain tricks easier. 


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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 05:02 PM »

Glad that you are enjoying the kite!  You don't know how much I deliberated over selling that one - it hurt!  But, I've now got a full set of Tekken, so it all works out.  And, I've still got a full set of FL.

That one is a custom Lam did for me that is 3pt/5pt.   It works - the frame is a bit stronger due to the 5pt LLE which curbs LE bending/rounding as you get close to 30 and you also get a bit more mass for lower wind flying making certain tricks easier. 

I think I missed (or never asked) about wind range on this kite. While I got that about the 3pt/5pt stuff, I'm pretty sure that 30mph went right over my head. Heh.... not that I plan to fly in that kind of wind anytime soon, but we do have some heavy winds during our regular season. It's good to know that this kite will handle our ocean winds if I ever get brave enough to try it. Right now I am just really happy with what it's doing on the lower end of the scale. It's unreal to watch it stick a fade in that wind.

So what's next for Tom?

Nancy




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So what's next for Tom?

Nancy

I've got 3 new Tekkens - I'll spend this coming year getting to know them inside and out.  Smiley

I think flying in 30mph if you don't have to is a little crazy.  On the beach, you will be getting blasted with sand at that level.  But, up to 25, I'm still having lots of fun.

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