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« on: December 10, 2012, 07:28 AM »

but having the kite flown horizontally instead of vertically?  I can do 540  horizontally with the exact same hand movments that I do flying vertically, but I do not know if I am actually doing a slot machine.   Lips sealed  Confused.

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 08:30 AM »

It seems to me to be closer to a Taz than a Slot Machine, ignoring entry and exit directions. The Taz's and 540's rotations in the flare continue in the same direction of rotation as the offset movement entering the flare.
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2012, 08:49 AM »

A Slot Machine only rotates 360 degrees.

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2012, 02:04 PM »

Hope this helps

 - Axel & Slot Machine is 1 full rotation (360 degrees).  Kite starts and ends the trick facing you

 - Taz & 540 is 1 1/2 rotations (540 degrees). Kite starts the trick with it's nose way and finishes facing you

Now go watch them on video.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 07:36 PM »

a vertical slot looks like a 540 (if done right) and gets a full 540 rotation .... am I misunderstanding the question?
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 07:54 PM »

My question is:  are the hand movements the same for both the vertical and horizontal slots even though the vertical one will give 540 and the horizontal one 360?
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 07:39 AM »

Hand movements are similar for the Slot and 540. I missed that part of your question. Tension is added twice with the same hand. The Taz adds tension with opposite hands.

Kite rotations are similar with Taz and 540, with rotation continuing in same direction after each input. The Slot reverses rotation directions with the two inputs.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 08:27 AM »

My question is:  are the hand movements the same for both the vertical and horizontal slots even though the vertical one will give 540 and the horizontal one 360?

Yes, flair, catch, rotate.

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 09:27 AM »

I believe that your thinking is on the right track.

They are all flat spin rotations.   The key is get the kite flat(ish), pop for the rotation, give slack to watch it all happen, take up and fly off.

The slack starts with offhand while popping and then both during the full rotation.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 10:29 AM »

a vertical slot looks like a 540 (if done right) and gets a full 540 rotation .... am I misunderstanding the question?

I misunderstood the question.  Roll Eyes

What is the vertical slot and any video? 

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2012, 12:54 AM »

Steve has said his 540's are actually Vertical Slots, Since I can't do either I have to take his word for it. If so here's a bunch of them, courtesy of Steve & Chris, who was trusting enough to lay down underneath to get those great angles. Love this video.

TrickTail UL doin' some 540's


and some more here

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2012, 02:24 AM »

Nice! This is when I have finally seen what the kite appearing in Steve's avatar image is! I've been wondering all this time.
It looks really nice. I had never heard or seen about this kite, so I'm going to start looking for information on it.

And since I don't wish to hijack this thread, back to the Slots and Tazs.
This has really inspired me to start trying them.
Up until now I thought I was not going to even check what they were about.
But now that I see they are a bit like "consequences" or "variations" of the 540 and I'm already starting to get the 540's right, I will start trying them out!  Cheesy

Thanks for the thread and the info. Has been really useful!  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2012, 05:12 PM »

This is a bit if a red herring.  A taz is a 540 rotation but a slot may or may not be depending on how you do it.  YOu can get a 540 slot if you let the kite fully flare after the initial pop and exit nose up but then thats technically not a slot since your not exiting in the same direction as the entry.  The true goal of a slot is a 360 flat spin entering and exiting with the nose heading the same direction.
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2012, 06:24 PM »

You are talking horizontal slots, right Anthony. 
In the videos that Mike posted I would be willing to bet that 50% or more of those "540's" were technically vertical slots.
Now would someone describe a Taz Machine for me please.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2012, 06:49 PM »


Tutorial:
http://reeddesign.co.uk/kites/tricks/tazmachine.html

Slot as you once described is: Right - Right input, with exit in the same direction as entry.
(Your comment in a Forum topic was the breakthrough ah-ha moment for me learning the Slot - thanks. I think it was a topic several years ago with a video of a French(?) gal doing a lot of Slot Machines and other great flying.)

Taz is Right - Left input, with exit in the opposite direction as entry. (Taz tends to need a little more flare rotation after the first input than the Slot before the second input.)
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