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« on: December 22, 2012, 11:28 PM »

Any report in flying between these two models....?
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 04:33 PM »

Virtually identical.  The zeroG is actually Ceewans plutz with a bit more tuning capability built in.  Prism pretty much took Ceewans kite, designed some custom fittings for it and put it into production. Which is why you didn't hear much about the Plutz for a while.  Ceewan and PRism were working on the Zero G together. I have flown the plutz 2 and zerog side by side and find no real difference.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2012, 05:27 PM »

Vigli which plutz are you referring to? There are 5 versions in total....the zero g is based off the plutz3....
The plutz1 is the best climber...the plutz2 is the best glider...
The plutz3 and zero g are great combinations of the two previous versions....

The large (6 made) are great gliders....and the mega is a scaled up plutz3...
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2012, 01:23 PM »

Just to clarify any cloudiness....Prism did obtain permission and worked closely with Ceewan to produce the Zero G.  For the uninformed, the above posts could be interpreted to insinuate that Prism stole the design, which which is not true.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2012, 03:25 PM »

Just to clarify any cloudiness....Prism did obtain permission and worked closely with Ceewan to produce the Zero G.  For the uninformed, the above posts could be interpreted to insinuate that Prism stole the design, which which is not true.
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« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 11:00 AM »

Vigli which plutz are you referring to? There are 5 versions in total....the zero g is based off the plutz3....
The plutz1 is the best climber...the plutz2 is the best glider...
The plutz3 and zero g are great combinations of the two previous versions....

The large (6 made) are great gliders....and the mega is a scaled up plutz3...


The last line in your post, regarding the "large" and the "mega" ..... are those variable for the Plutz or for the ZeroG? I like the idea of the larger versions.
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 11:11 AM »

Prism just made the one size. I wonder if the parts would work on a larger size?
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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 01:00 PM »

Vigli which plutz are you referring to? There are 5 versions in total....the zero g is based off the plutz3....
The plutz1 is the best climber...the plutz2 is the best glider...
The plutz3 and zero g are great combinations of the two previous versions....

The large (6 made) are great gliders....and the mega is a scaled up plutz3...


The last line in your post, regarding the "large" and the "mega" ..... are those variable for the Plutz or for the ZeroG? I like the idea of the larger versions.
Ceewan mad a few large versions of the Plutz 2 and a mega version of the plutz 3 but  not too many.  I'll ask him if he is still willing to make the larger ones and if not maybe I'll add another project to my list Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2012, 02:27 PM »

This is one of 7 large plutzs......I brought three in and they sold before I had a chance to put them on the website....thelarge was quite different than a plutz1 plutz2 or a plutz3.....


This is the mega.... there are not many of these from the first run ( there might be a new version of this one coming out soon)...framed in full skyshark p100 rods.....


This was a shot from two years ago of the last plutz order that I brought in...
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 12:07 PM »

Thanks for the info!
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2013, 06:49 PM »

Never flown a Plutz, But I an lov'n the Zero-G.

An awesome Glider Kite. I highly recomend it.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2013, 09:37 PM »

Never flown a Plutz, But I an lov'n the Zero-G.

An awesome Glider Kite. I highly recomend it.

WA
The Zero-G is prisms version of the Plutz and flies a lot like the Plutz 2.  Ceewan and Mark worked together on the Zero-G based mostly off Ceewan's plutz with some refinements added in by Mark
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2013, 09:47 PM »

Thanks Dude.

Ceewan and Mark have done a great Job.
Awesome Kite....





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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2013, 11:22 AM »

There are a couple of differences between the Plutz II and a Zero-G!
1.- Size. Zero-G is a bit larger than the II!
2.- Fittings. Prism used some nicer parts and pieces to make their kite. Very much modern!
3.- Adjustments. Two that are not on the II. Both can move the towpoint forward or back between marks that identify the max of each. But the Zero-G has a line running from the bridle to the rear of the canards, changing their attitude in flight as you pull or release the flying line!! Along with that, there is an adjustment for the canards overall tension on a fitting that moves up and down the spine!! It is very tight, but it does move!
With a little work with the adjustments, you'll find a setting that works the best for your style of gliding!! Have fun experimenting!!
PS: I preordered one of CeeWan's Megas, I like my II so much!
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2013, 01:50 PM »

I plan on flying the Zero-G soon. Can you give some basic adjustments and their effects that dictate what the kite does with certain adjustments.

Like the tow point: Up, standard, down ...

Seen this good explanation:

Ok first off your misunderstanding how the nose adjustment affects the kite so that may be partly why you haven't found a good set up.  The nose adjustment changes the bow of the spine which changes the angle of incidence of the rear wing making the kite nose up faster or slower depending on how you set it.  It also changes the sweep angle of the canard wings some making for a bit faster speed(some affect on turn rate as well).  The line on the canard to spine only adjusts the slack angle of the canards affecting glide stability.  This latter adjustment I found should only be used If really needed to fine tune the glide path by lengthening or shortening the line to get the kite to glide true and not rock side to side. 

Now for indoor or dead calm out door going for long glides I leave the nose setting stock and set the bridle in the middle or forward.  IF the kite glides nose down shorten the center canard line some so the kite glides just slightly nose high but doesn't nose up.  IF it still noses down a bit in a glide and you have gone as short as you can on the center canard line then move the nose slider 1/16 inch toward the rear wing.  1/16 on the nose slider does a lot.  Once you get it set so it glides long, flat and lands on the center T at the end of a glide, mark it and that should be your starting point for future flights.  Fast active flight will be 1/8 to 1/2 inch from your base  tune point depending on how active you want it.

Keep in mind that variations during building at the factory as well as the flex variations from rod to rod in a particular batch will really affect the base tuning so no two kites will have the same base set up.  My two zero g's base settings are nearly 1/8 inch apart and they are from the same build run.  One spine happens to flex easier than the other.
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