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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 08:23 AM »

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KTAI is NOT a show for CONSUMERS.....
I have no interest in attending but I'd like to know, within a reasonable time frame, what was there. Is it wholly unreasonable to expect a professional body that "exists to support and promote the manufacturing, distributing and retailing of kites and wind related products" to draw attention to itself on this huge forum about, you know, kites ?  Embarrassed
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That is connected to drop in attendance by kite-centric shops instead of the gift and toy stores......there were a few shop owners who would post up the newest things from the show as soon as they could...and it would help to gain interest from the customers....
but...with less shops going that have small diehard kite customers that drops...and then the backing up the shops by the manufacturers shipping out the newest items is also playing into that....why put all the interest in the world onto a kite that at the time of the show the manufacturer is not even certain whether or not the item will end up being produced....and if it is produced then when might it appear?Huh

New Tech Drake is a good example......Did that single line kite ever make it out? I know that there were customers interested in it after seeing it from pix.....but i do not know if it even made it to the show...that would be disheartening to anyone ineterested and make them not believe that there is a KTAI kite Santa.....

I think that it would be good if someone on the board of KTAI would come and read some of what is written here....there are some valid points...but at this time it is not a consumer show...it is a trade show......it might be time for KTAI to look at evolving just like how Barressi might get the AKA to evolve as well...
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 08:26 AM »

Premier posted their catalog on Facebook a couple of weeks ago:

http://www.premierkites.com/collections/

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Wow we are finally allowed to view the Premier catalog? I have downloaded it for the last 8 years or so, always password protected and they evidently changed the password on a regular basis since I would beg it off Steve but his wouldn't work with the one I'd download a week after him. I've written them yearly requesting a password and explaining that I felt Premier Kites were consistantly the highest quality imports and I would like to get a few more but because no dealers stock the full line I couldn't see what was available and that I had a local dealer GWTW who would order anything I wanted. They NEVER ONCE responsed, not even a  ... well to keep it family friendly I'll just say I assumed their response was - they didn't want ME purchasing their kites ... so we haven't purchased a Premier Kite in 6+ years ... although to their grief we do still fly some of the 40+ we already own.


Thanks to the social media now they might as well post it up for everyone to see.....pull out the pricing info (some manufacturers used to have the wholesale price incorporated into the item number) and share it.....no need not to....with how pictures and new things are circulated on the internet it would be better for the manufacturer to help drive the interest in the direction that they want it....making the catalog public is a great way to start that...........

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 08:30 AM »

We might make up a tiny market but we have a proven track record of buying kites, flying them such that others might see them and thusly reminding the general populace that these things still exist.

The small numbers sold probably don't recover the development costs of a high end kite that would appeal to us. Even the handful of boutique makers selling direct gets smaller every year and they don't have to factor in the 100% profit a shop normall expects on a mass produced product.

Until it becomes fashionable again (as a yo-yoer perhaps you can remind me how long that cycle is) I think were out of the loop.

Mr negativity, losing the faith  Embarrassed
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 08:35 AM »

Premier never had wholesale prices in the catalog though

Dang I see things on the first page, but I think I'll stick with the "build them myself plan" for the next few gifts we have planned, the bitter taste is still present.

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 08:48 AM »

Premier never had wholesale prices in the catalog though

Dang I see things on the first page, but I think I'll stick with the "build them myself plan" for the next few gifts we have planned, the bitter taste is still present.


yep...they used to have the wholesale price as part of the item number.....not that a consumer needs the item number anyway....the name of the kite/thing should be enough to add to their wish list....

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2013, 10:30 AM »

The dysfunction and general bush league mentality of the kite wholesale and retail industry has ceased to be a topic of angst as I've gotten to know the people involved over the years. It has more to do with the fact that even our large businesses are very small businesses in normal commerce terms. And the vast majority are really tiny businesses just doing the best they can.

It seems one of the issues is that kite people tend to be disinterested in business and business people don't often care much about kites. In the past there was enough money to keep business people interested, but those days are gone.

We cant expect the kite industry to behave like any other type of business. Just like you cant expect an on-line kite shop to have Amazon.com-like shipping or communication capabilities.

It's been retailers who have reported on KTAI to us kite nerds in the past. Like Ken getting his pet photographer access.  Smiley GWTW did some great reports from KTAI in the '90s, but that was Dan's way. He took pictures and told stories about all kinds of events. Few kite shop owners are so inclined.

Nice to see that Premier catalog, though. They must have got a good deal on that Orbit printed fabric from somewhere.  Huh

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 11:22 AM »

Anyone in the western U.S. should try to make it down for the KTAI Demo days...or anywhere else for that matter.  Hotel's are super cheap this time of year and the entire day is set aside for nothing but manufacturers showing off their new gear.  Business dealings are kept to a minimum and held for the floor of the KTAI show.  There is food, kites, fun...it's kinda like "Dave's Kite Party" but in Vegas and without any performance breaks (obviously on a much smaller scale and we don't have the beautiful beach and ocean breeze).  The park is huge so there is more than enough room for 100+ kite flyers or more and EVERYONE is welcome - and it's free!

It's your chance to meet face to face with manufacturers and other kite flyers to .... fly! Smiley  I would love to see this feature of the KTAI expand to 2 or 3 or even more days.  If we have enough people join, that may be a very serious possibility.

John will be able to attend and get pictures again for all of us this year (board changes from last year will make this less of a hassle this year) So everyone will be able to see what is new and what is happening with the industry.

Unfortunately, the majority of attendees to the show are toy shops that also sell kites.  For this reason, the bulk of the sales are kites that most of us on here would chuckle at or give away to someone just starting out.  I have been trying to come up with some type of format or idea to make it possible for more boutique kite makers to attend the KTAI and show their products, or to get a better display/showing of higher end products at the KTAI, but haven't figured out a solution that would be possible financially for them to do so.  It is kind of a paradox - with minimal sales in high dollar kites it makes it difficult for a small boutique manufacturer to afford to hold a booth - but without the booth it makes it harder for them to show their goods - which could possibly lead to more sales - which may make it easier to afford the booth.......

Anyways, here's hoping we have some new items this year and that we will have decent winds during the demo days.  Either way I am sure John will get plenty of pictures for all of us to see.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2013, 04:58 PM »


John will be able to attend and get pictures again for all of us this year (board changes from last year will make this less of a hassle this year) So everyone will be able to see what is new and what is happening with the industry.

Care to elucidate on how? Can others get in or is this only for John?

Boutique kite makers used to be there......turned out to not be worth it for them..........
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2013, 12:47 AM »

Kent & John, we certainly appreciate the effort that you put into sharing a little a bit of the KTAI event with us, without you guys most of us wouldn't even know such a thing existed. I will be looking forward to your reports and photos.



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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2013, 03:25 AM »

Yay John!

Thrilled to hear you'll be there, I like the coverage you bring too. Smiley

Some past reports, for those who don't know about it...

2012
http://www.kitelife.com/events/behind-closed-doors-at-kta/

2011
http://www.kitelife.com/events/issue-76-ktai-trade-show-2011/

2010
http://www.kitelife.com/events/issue-70-kite-trade-association-intl-trade-show/

2009
http://www.kitelife.com/events/issue-64-ktai-trade-show/

2008
http://www.kitelife.com/industry-news/issue-58-goin-across-the-river-to-ktai/

2007
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2007-ktai-trade-show-in-albuquerque-nm-day-1/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2007-ktai-trade-show-in-albuquerque-nm-day-2/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2007-ktai-trade-show-in-albuquerque-nm-day-3/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2007-ktai-trade-show-in-albuquerque-nm-day-4/

2006
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2006-ktai-trade-show-day-1/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2006-ktai-trade-show-day-2/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2006-ktai-trade-show-day-3/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2006-ktai-trade-show-day-4/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2006-ktai-trade-show-day-5/

2005
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2005-ktai-trade-show-day-1/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2005-ktai-trade-show-day-2/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2005-ktai-trade-show-day-3/
http://www.kitelife.com/events/2005-ktai-trade-show-day-4/

We've got some reports from further back (by Mike Gillard), but we've not yet found time to import them into the new site.
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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2013, 01:12 PM »

I am able to obtain a pass for our Godfather as he is pretty much a part of our store anyways.  He also understands the rules of the show and abides by them.  I feel his presence there is an asset to both the KTAI and for all the kite flyers - especially those on this forum.

Kitelife has always done an excellent job of bringing day to day announcements and information as well.

Thief, being a kite shop yourself, you should have no problem gaining access to the show, becoming a member would save you on your admission price.  If you would like to come out and visit, let me know and I can get you set up.
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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2013, 09:35 AM »

Last year, we published photos of each booth and a walking tour of the show. See http://www.gombergkites.com/update/645.html

I don't agree that must attendees and buyers are toy stores. Most are legitimate and well-known kite stores. But those stores sell many more introductory kites than they do advanced kites. That's why those are the majority of kites made by the manufacturers. That's simply the nature of the market. The cost of developing a more advanced kite is much higher and the return much lower...

Our business has two components -- the G-Kites brand which are mass produced. G-Kites was developed for wholesale distribution and are available in shops around the country. Our 2013 catalog is at http://www.my-catalog.biz/GKites/ (Order through GWTW when possible please. Il Duce)

Many manufacturers had had trouble delivering "new" designs the past few years. We've elected to not publicize products until we actually have them min hand. So you won't see our 2013 additions in our 2013 catalog.

The second component are the larger kites, made to order in custom colors, and intended for the more advanced enthusiast. Those are not sold to most stores (who sadly are often not well suited to support them). Margins are smaller and the "wholesale" model simply doesn't work well. So instead, we offer those kites direct at (Direct link removed. Il Duce (It's one of the few rules we have)) and through a few select stores.

GKPI will not be exhibiting at KTA this year. The high cost and low attendance has forced us to re-evaluate our wholesale strategy. But don't mistakenly conclude that we're not doing just fine. Our two retail stores are continuing to expand, we've just purchased a new warehouse, and we'll have a series of new kites out this summer.

Short answer -- we go things a bit different...

Our retail buying team will be in Vegas.

Hope those insights add to the conversation.

Thanks!

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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2013, 10:21 AM »

if you are connected to Dodd on Facebook you can see the new sport kites from SkyDog too....
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2013, 05:05 PM »

What day and time is the kite demo day?

Maybe I can make it in the afternoon?

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