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« on: January 21, 2013, 09:30 AM »

Got an original Fire Dart off eBay, for a very low price. It came without stand-offs, and according to the manual, stand-offs were 'optional' in those days. The sail has two small fabric loops sewn in, right where you would expect the stand-offs to be attached to the sail.

Does anyone know what Fire Dart stand-offs looked like? Especially how they were attached to those fabric loops? Of course, I can conjure up something myself, but would prefer to make them as close to 'original' as possible.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 09:43 AM »

they were attached to the loops with an arrow nock....

there would be a small arrow nock on the skin end of the standoff and the loop would be between the points.....then..tension would hold it in but i also saw people take small zip ties and put that through the loop and around the nock for security.....
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 09:46 AM »

Thanks Rob! That does make sense. I assume a standard spar grabber at the other end?
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 10:35 AM »

the Dart that i had in my hands had rubber tubing ~1.5" long that had a hole through it for the spreader and then the standoff with a rubber end cap fit into the open end of the tubing.....
older skool!!!!

skb: I had seen those nocks and thought that was just from hard use Wink
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 10:37 AM »

It's more of a challenge without them. Especially near the edge of the window. Fun challenge, though. Makes you appreciate more modern kites.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 10:48 AM »

I'm definitely going to fly it without and with stand-offs, just to see how it behaves under both conditions.

Thanks for your help, guys!
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 11:01 AM »

Getting out of a tight spin with your dignity intact is another test of a whiskerless kite (or maybe just the pilot).

I have a beautiful 3/4 dart that I'm feeling a hankering to fly now...  Cool
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 03:30 PM »

Getting out of a tight spin with your dignity intact is another test of a whiskerless kite (or maybe just the pilot).


 Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

I remember those flying days and a good skill test for the "modern" pilot.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2013, 12:01 AM »

Even with stand-offs, a Fire Dart seems to have a pretty flat sail. Does anyone know the length of the stand-offs? Are they meant to be straight from sail to spreader or bent?
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2013, 07:51 AM »

I have a Fire Dart from 1990.  If you can want until later today, I will measure the standoffs for you when I get home from work.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 07:54 AM »

Please Doug! No rush whatsoever; when you have time!
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 11:05 AM »

Sorry I missed this post earlier, been trying to organize new laptop with files from 2 other machines and 3 different backup drives

From the data base:

Fire Dart
WINGS Materials SPINE  Material LWRSP Material UPSP Material STANDOFF Material

 62.5   .298FG    36.5   .317FG    32.5   .298FG   22.0  .298FG    5.25        3/32FGR
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 03:08 PM »

She looks like a beauty Lex! I like the red and black scheme...
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 12:11 AM »

Thanks kiteking!

Anthony, how did you know my Fire Dart is red-and-black? It is, and it looks striking in this colour combo, but I don't remember mentioning it anywhere (or am I going senile now?)
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 08:47 AM »

I measured the Fire Dart Standoffs, which were 5 5/8 inches from the end of the end cap to the valley in the arrow nock.  I will post pictures later.

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