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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2013, 02:45 AM »

So where does this "fit" in relation to the Howitzer and the Iridium?  Both of those look like nice performers

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2013, 06:39 AM »

It seems and in betweener, maybe e bit closer to Howitzer regarding precision, range and sail pressure, but the tricks are faster, more forgiving and more intuitive (less efforts to be elegant).

 The Howitzer is a big polyvalent with massive sail area, it is forgiving in the basic tricks but wants correct pulse sequences for more advnced tricks, and rewards the efforts Cheesy with beautiful tricks. Cometes must be executed carefully or the kite will stick in backflip! (The Howitzer .88 instead is a small trick machine, very forgiging in all tricks but not so precise as his major brother)

Le iridium was more a trick animal, advanced tricks are very very simple, but sometimes you loose control of basic ones and the SUL version is very very difficult and specialistic, (although it does rollup in one pop), the UL is the most fun (yofades are just like on the std!). Anyway no oversteer and fail precision, but light pull and suffers in low wind (less sail area). Very easy cometes!! Not so stable backflip but fairly good. Jacob's ladder needs care to be well executed.



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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2013, 02:39 PM »

Sounds good!  Keep up the fine work, I love watching the progress of your design work in the videos you post
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2013, 04:14 PM »

I Hope for good wind to do a decent freestyle performance  Smiley

Just to prove that the fade is stable and doesn't wobble:

Self shot smartphone pic:

https://picasaweb.google.com/116440615366198099089/LilithNewProject2013?authkey=Gv1sRgCLv0qo_Mn4OJVA#5849222610297918274

with the kite in fade position!
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2013, 04:55 PM »

Another video:

http://youtu.be/cH-EFpmu_BM
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2013, 05:53 PM »

Definitely an improvement over the last vid.  Winds must have been better this time.  Kite looks good and I like how flat the spins are.  THat a single or double standoff design?  Reason I ask is it from the way it floats and cascades there might be just a tad bit too much wing in the kite so it might benefit from a 2nd standoff or you can move the standoff out by about 1 inch and add 1-2 cm length.  Then again it could be weight of the wing tip spars not letting the kite do a full half axel and keeping it to more of a 10-2.  Just speculating but nice work overall Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2013, 01:38 AM »

Definitely an improvement over the last vid. 

Thank you  Wink

Winds must have been better this time.

Yes, but an UL would have saved me some walking Wink (the wind was clean but weak, UL-Like wind in the low range),but  the kite has massive amounts of sail so it can hold up even if it is a standard.

  Kite looks good and I like how flat the spins are.  THat a single or double standoff design?

It is a double standoff design, but the standoffs are 1cm closer than in the previous video (and 1cm more to the wing side). Also i have moved down the yoyo stoppers (2.5 cm) because the lines were difficult to catch, it doens't seem to affect adversely the flight when rolled-up (added also some "emergency stoppers).

  Reason I ask is it from the way it floats and cascades there might be just a tad bit too much wing in the kite so it might benefit from a 2nd standoff or you can move the standoff out by about 1 inch and add 1-2 cm length. 

It is worth to try to move a bit more the standoffs, but i'm scared to ruin the backflip, so stable that makes the cynique stupid easy Smiley

Then again it could be weight of the wing tip spars not letting the kite do a full half axel and keeping it to more of a 10-2.  Just speculating but nice work overall Smiley

That cascade was terrible, i agree, but it is not a trick that i master very well, i usually lose control (too much stall) or exit with the nose pointed 4 o'clock or 8 o'clock (not enough stall). The same situation happens sometimes with slot machine, but it is a my fault, not kite's one  Smiley

Anyway the leech line and black diamond nitro lower spreader holds up well the cynique and generally all lazy-based rotations.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2013, 03:53 PM »

Ghost Version:

The sail is entirely made of Airx-500, the leading edge is spinnaker 48g/m2 and the mylar reinforcements are 44 g/m2 mylar. THe rest is dacron.

It is framed:
ULE: Skyshark 2pt
LLE: Skyshark P1X
Spine: Skyshark 3pt
LS: Skyshark 3pt
US: Structil-X 6mm

It weights 237g for a wingspan of 236cm and e height of 94cm, it is halfway bethween an UL and a SUL.

The kite maintains the feeling of the STD, and also seems very precise in corners and straights, holds the fade very well, good backflip, lifter, multilazies and presumably good cyniqye. Also very good backspins and taz machines, slots are very elegant and easy. Good response in half axel and cascades. The flic flac has a partial dead-spot that tends to ruin a bit the jacob's ladder return-to-fade rotation but it easy to correct (using a sweeping pull), and definitely almost all SULs i know have this problem, if not all. The oversteer is almost zero but the kite can be stalled steadily and slide very easily. The frame seems to respond very well to the inputs, even if the wind starts to reinforce a bit, no wobbling in corners!!! The bigger surprise, that led me to shout a loud "WTF, cannot beliewe it!!!" (some bystanders observing me probably thought that I was kinda crazy!!  Smiley ) was the YOYO! Despite being an UL-SUL , weighing only 237 (including ballast) it yoyo pretty much easily and reliably, also can be thrown very fast in the backflip, no need to settle!! Also YOYO's from fade frontflip are possible (the first i tried was from the fade)

PS: i forgot to mention that i moved another 15mm up the center T connector (leaving the rest unchanged) so now the STD can make very fast yoyo's without losing anything in precision, and also the GHOST does them!








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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2013, 05:04 PM »

Looks nice, in the vid it was obviously low wind but the kite still looked good. Great work!
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2013, 06:02 PM »

I tried today to record some flying with the Lilith Ghost but the wind was definitely too gusted and strong so it was impossible to trick cleanly (and I was afraid to damage the prototype), so no video for now, sorry  Sad
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2013, 01:56 PM »

A video of the UL-SUL hybrid version Lilith .L , ghost-like kite.

Lilith .L freestyle in almost no wind


Demonstration in very low wind.
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2013, 02:04 PM »

Is the ghost related to the Cosmic Ghost?

They sure look related.

Keep up the good work.  Smiley

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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2013, 02:10 PM »

So when can I have the plans for Lilith?  I think I need a Lilith ghost to keep my iridium UL company!

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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2013, 03:03 PM »

I plan to publish them on july, when i'm back from my sicily vacation.

Of course if you are impatient, I can send you the plans, the kite seems to be correctly set-up. I have to prepare the files with all the details , so it may take a while. THe most impressive thing of this kite is that it still pitches very good and the frame looks very stiff. It is framed 2pt-P1X on the leading edge, 3pt spine and 3pt lower spreaders. THis combination of spars make it feel very tight and quite responsive for being an "almost-sul-kite"
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2013, 03:28 PM »

I can wait until July... Lots of projects on my to do list.  Keep us posted though!
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