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chilese:

Incomplete List Follows.

Prehistoric Tricksters:
  Eclipse
  Box of Tricks
Historic Tricksters:
  Gemini
  Elixir
Old News Tricksters:
  Quantum Pro
  Deep Space
  Nirvana
  Widow Maker
  Kymera
Recent Tricksters:
  Talon
  Cosmic
  Seven
  TNT
Super Recent Tricksters:
  Super Fly
  Veyron
  Hugo
  Bill
  Fearless/Devil
  Aura

So is new and shiny with a different panel layout a:
  Revolutionary update in sport kites?
  Evolutionary update in sport kites?
  Slightly different variation on a theme (straight LE, double standoffs, 2.15 m, etc)?

The materials are basically the same. Oh, there may be the occasional Icone sort
of uber-material, but even those haven't been widely brought into the fold.

It seems to be business as usual with very similar kites in size and shape and 15 gms
on the tail. Get a cool panel layout, designed by one of the names and you may have
some popularity.

In the hands of the top pilots, almost any of the above mentioned kites would look
amazing to 99% of us.

No one wants a kite that you push a button and it does a comete. We want to have
to put ourselves into the moves to make the reward worthwhile.

To me, it's simply a fit of how you fly versus what you think of a kite.

For me, I didn't like the Deep Space, Kymera or Machine but loved the Talon,
Quantum Pro and Widow Maker.

I was told by Joe from Kingman that I like simple kites. It wasn't an insult, merely an
observation that I preferred predictable, normal behavior in kites.

If someone would explain to me why or how the newest kites are "better" for tricksters,
please let me know. Thanks.
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For the "what can he do" people:

I haven't done a crazy copter.

I have done the occasional comete with 2 complete cycles my best.

My Taz Machine, Wap-do-Wap, etc are about 25% depending on kite.

I can pretty much do yo-yo normal stuff and the double yo at times.

Barrel rolls or backspins, depending on the kite, not a problem.

Spin tricks, cake.

Oh, my side slide is weak too.




 
 

chilese:

Oh by the way.

I am all for new sport kites and am happy to see them.

I go out of my way to steer newbies to a top end sport

kite once they can fly without crashing. Don't believe in

the "intermediate sport kite concept".

1) Learn to fly without crashing on one of my kites.

2) Go buy a high end boutique kite.

Sadly, the market is so small and there are so many excellent kites

introduced. The pie can only be cut to feed a finite number.

Many excellent kites fade before getting a fair chance.

I really enjoyed Mark's Black Pearl. Haven't heard about it in a long time.

Jest of Eve had to call it semi-quits.

Blue Moon (my favorite), gone.

Essence, Black Arrow. Liked them both a lot. Only seen one of each.

It's still a recession. How many new kites do we each buy a year?

If a boutique kiter maker cleared $150/unit and sold a kite every 2 days, that's

about $27,000 year. It's a difficult profession.

I want it to succeed. New and shiny is always an attraction. I love them too.

Although I do see them as new and shiny and very similar.

Ca Ike:

OOO can of worms not just opened but blown to bits :P.   Of course new and shiny is better.  My flown twice jungle elixir is better than my well flown and worn out rainbow one :P

I'd have to go with variations on a theme.  As tricks evolve with new combos, kites get tuned to better perform those tricks.  Nothing new just a different tuning.  Chris Goff said it well about his superfly.  He wanted to see what he could do with the turtle position so he built the kite geared toward that goal of a locked in stable turtle  he could play with. Thats how all kites lately have been, not revolutionary just refined.

Wayner:

John,
Lots of ideas here. You should get lots of opinions.  :D

Quote from: chilese on April 14, 2013, 03:42 PM
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Super Recent Tricksters:
  Fearless/Devil

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Nice list. I would but the Tekken in the Super Recent Tricksters and move the Fearless/Devi to the Recent Tricksters


Quote from: chilese on April 14, 2013, 03:42 PM
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I was told by Joe from Kingman that I like simple kites. It wasn't an insult, merely an
observation that I preferred predictable, normal behavior in kites.


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I dream of having Joe's skill of adapting to the idiosyncrasy any kite with 5 only minutes of flying time. Based on my progress, this skill will only reside in my dreams.  :(



Quote from: chilese on April 14, 2013, 03:42 PM
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For the "what can he do" people:
 

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You forgot great teacher.  ;D


Quote from: chilese on April 14, 2013, 05:32 PM
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Jest of Eve had to call it semi-quits.
Blue Moon (

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 :'(

Quote from: chilese on April 14, 2013, 05:32 PM
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Jest of Eve had to call it semi-quits.
Blue Moon (
It's still a recession. How many new kites do we each buy a year?
 
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I'm doing my best to keep kite makers in business. Got 2 new kites this year, at this rate I will have 4 or 5 by the end of the year.


WolvenX:

Don't forget the Fury uber kite lol :)

I think sometimes we play with words = semantics.  I would be happy to own and fly any of those kites.  I think each has it's specific advantages and in the end it is up to the flyers skill level and personal taste.  As I said before I'm really partial to the Elixir and that's really old now.  

Just enjoy all kites and fly the best we can.  And never stop learning.  ;)

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