GWTW Forum
April 23, 2014, 11:35 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
   Home   Help Forum Info Login Register Chat  
Welcome to the GWTW Forum.
Guests (non-registered users) can view the forum but are unable to post.  If you don't have anything to say then why would you bother to register?
One of the most popular sections of the GWTW Forum has long been the Swap Meet.  A great place to sell old, seldom flown kites or to get great deals on used (gently flown) kites.  Only registered users can see the Swap Meet section, let alone wheel and deal.  1000's (literally) of kites have changed hands thanks to the Swap Meet.
There are several more benefits to being a registered user, but you'll have to join our little community to find out all the "secrets".
Questions or concerns?  forum.gwtwkites@gmail.com

Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: State Of The Art Or State Of Mind  (Read 779 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
chilese
Global Moderator
Trade Count: (+5)
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2896


Location: Las Vegas, NV

WWW
« on: April 14, 2013, 03:42 PM »

Incomplete List Follows.

Prehistoric Tricksters:
  Eclipse
  Box of Tricks
Historic Tricksters:
  Gemini
  Elixir
Old News Tricksters:
  Quantum Pro
  Deep Space
  Nirvana
  Widow Maker
  Kymera
Recent Tricksters:
  Talon
  Cosmic
  Seven
  TNT
Super Recent Tricksters:
  Super Fly
  Veyron
  Hugo
  Bill
  Fearless/Devil
  Aura

So is new and shiny with a different panel layout a:
  Revolutionary update in sport kites?
  Evolutionary update in sport kites?
  Slightly different variation on a theme (straight LE, double standoffs, 2.15 m, etc)?

The materials are basically the same. Oh, there may be the occasional Icone sort
of uber-material, but even those haven't been widely brought into the fold.

It seems to be business as usual with very similar kites in size and shape and 15 gms
on the tail. Get a cool panel layout, designed by one of the names and you may have
some popularity.

In the hands of the top pilots, almost any of the above mentioned kites would look
amazing to 99% of us.

No one wants a kite that you push a button and it does a comete. We want to have
to put ourselves into the moves to make the reward worthwhile.

To me, it's simply a fit of how you fly versus what you think of a kite.

For me, I didn't like the Deep Space, Kymera or Machine but loved the Talon,
Quantum Pro and Widow Maker.

I was told by Joe from Kingman that I like simple kites. It wasn't an insult, merely an
observation that I preferred predictable, normal behavior in kites.

If someone would explain to me why or how the newest kites are "better" for tricksters,
please let me know. Thanks.
______________

For the "what can he do" people:

I haven't done a crazy copter.

I have done the occasional comete with 2 complete cycles my best.

My Taz Machine, Wap-do-Wap, etc are about 25% depending on kite.

I can pretty much do yo-yo normal stuff and the double yo at times.

Barrel rolls or backspins, depending on the kite, not a problem.

Spin tricks, cake.

Oh, my side slide is weak too.




 
 
« Last Edit: April 14, 2013, 07:58 PM by chilese » Logged

John Chilese: Las Vegas, NV
http://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej
chilese
Global Moderator
Trade Count: (+5)
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2896


Location: Las Vegas, NV

WWW
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2013, 05:32 PM »

Oh by the way.

I am all for new sport kites and am happy to see them.

I go out of my way to steer newbies to a top end sport

kite once they can fly without crashing. Don't believe in

the "intermediate sport kite concept".

1) Learn to fly without crashing on one of my kites.

2) Go buy a high end boutique kite.

Sadly, the market is so small and there are so many excellent kites

introduced. The pie can only be cut to feed a finite number.

Many excellent kites fade before getting a fair chance.

I really enjoyed Mark's Black Pearl. Haven't heard about it in a long time.

Jest of Eve had to call it semi-quits.

Blue Moon (my favorite), gone.

Essence, Black Arrow. Liked them both a lot. Only seen one of each.

It's still a recession. How many new kites do we each buy a year?

If a boutique kiter maker cleared $150/unit and sold a kite every 2 days, that's

about $27,000 year. It's a difficult profession.

I want it to succeed. New and shiny is always an attraction. I love them too.

Although I do see them as new and shiny and very similar.
Logged

John Chilese: Las Vegas, NV
http://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej
Ca Ike
Trade Count: (+24)
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1698


Location: Stockton, CA

« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2013, 07:44 PM »

OOO can of worms not just opened but blown to bits Tongue.   Of course new and shiny is better.  My flown twice jungle elixir is better than my well flown and worn out rainbow one Tongue

I'd have to go with variations on a theme.  As tricks evolve with new combos, kites get tuned to better perform those tricks.  Nothing new just a different tuning.  Chris Goff said it well about his superfly.  He wanted to see what he could do with the turtle position so he built the kite geared toward that goal of a locked in stable turtle  he could play with. Thats how all kites lately have been, not revolutionary just refined.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2013, 08:08 PM by Ca Ike » Logged
Wayner
Trade Count: (+11)
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 921


Location: Las Vegas, NV

« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2013, 07:55 PM »

John,
Lots of ideas here. You should get lots of opinions.  Cheesy


Super Recent Tricksters:
  Fearless/Devil
Nice list. I would but the Tekken in the Super Recent Tricksters and move the Fearless/Devi to the Recent Tricksters



I was told by Joe from Kingman that I like simple kites. It wasn't an insult, merely an
observation that I preferred predictable, normal behavior in kites.


I dream of having Joe's skill of adapting to the idiosyncrasy any kite with 5 only minutes of flying time. Based on my progress, this skill will only reside in my dreams.  Sad



For the "what can he do" people:
 

You forgot great teacher.  Grin


Jest of Eve had to call it semi-quits.
Blue Moon (

 Cry

Jest of Eve had to call it semi-quits.
Blue Moon (
It's still a recession. How many new kites do we each buy a year?
 


I'm doing my best to keep kite makers in business. Got 2 new kites this year, at this rate I will have 4 or 5 by the end of the year.
Logged
WolvenX
Trade Count: (+1)
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 40


Location: Australia: State of Victoria, Newborough

« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2013, 07:57 PM »

Don't forget the Fury uber kite lol Smiley

I think sometimes we play with words = semantics.  I would be happy to own and fly any of those kites.  I think each has it's specific advantages and in the end it is up to the flyers skill level and personal taste.  As I said before I'm really partial to the Elixir and that's really old now.  

Just enjoy all kites and fly the best we can.  And never stop learning.  Wink
Logged

You can either fly or die, personally I'll fly!!!

Kites: x2 Jazz; x2 Microns; Quantum; Zephyr; Ozone; Alien; Illusion 2K; E2; E3; Redback (hold the line Kites); Silver Fox (vented) Talon & Iridium on the way !!!
Allen Carter
Board Moderator
Trade Count: (+15)
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1661

Location: Half Moon Bay, CA

« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2013, 09:00 AM »


Oh, my side slide is weak too.
 

Still??

 Cheesy

This is how I met John, over ten years ago. I was doing nice slides and he yelled across the field "Show me how to do that!" It was just the beginning of John yelling across the field at me. (even if he can't slide he knows more tricks than I do.)
Logged

Allen, AKA kitehead
Allen Carter
Board Moderator
Trade Count: (+15)
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1661

Location: Half Moon Bay, CA

« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 09:06 AM »

Oh, to the point, I'd say why are there new golf clubs, new tennis racquets, new yoyos? These things have been in their basic configuration far longer than sport kites, yet there is constant "innovation" and upgrades. There are certainly incremental improvements but we're human, so there's a lot of "new toy" involved.

Lets keep buying whatever new kites come to market. Or we will end up with no market at all.
Logged

Allen, AKA kitehead
inewham
Board Moderator
Trade Count: (+1)
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 359


Location: Nottingham, UK

WWW
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2013, 02:49 PM »

If someone would explain to me why or how the newest kites are "better" for tricksters,
please let me know. Thanks.

I've had precious little time for flying this past couple of years, I'd got a bit jaded with it all and got a bit cynical about new kites. Last week I got to fly a brand new Midi Sandpiper I got from ebay; I was pleasantly surprised by how capable it was for a 1996 kite. I got out my Midi 98 and thought it was even better, multiple yoyo's from a 1998 kite wasn't bad.

Then I squeezed in about 10 minutes on a more modern kite and remembered just how much easier lots of things have become...
Logged

thief
Board Moderator
Trade Count: (+25)
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3350


Location: North Shore of Massa-WHO-setts

WWW
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 03:33 PM »

wow..the Masque is not listed yet.... one of the kites with a super long history that applies to all sorts of flying techniques!
Logged

Kites kayaks & corgis again!!!
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  


items purchased through the links below help support the forum

Our forum is made possible by the good folks whose ads appear in the right margin of the forum and by the members of our community (PayPal donation button at bottom of the page)
In case you missed it each ad is linked to the sponsors web site.  So please, take a moment and visit our sponsors sites as this forum wouldn't be possible with out them. >>>
Interested in running an ad for your business or kiting event?  Contact Steve at advertise.gwtwkites@gmail.com for a quote.


member support is greatly appreciated!



Untitled Document
J Hall Photography

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.8 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC
SimplePortal 2.2.1 © 2008-2009
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!