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Author Topic: Into The Wind 12’ and 16’ Delta  (Read 1221 times)
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« on: April 26, 2013, 09:54 AM »

Hi all,

I’m looking for a good lifter for low and middle winds.

I wish to hang on this kite one or 2 inflatables about 3-4 meters long.

I have seen these two (nice) deltas from Into the Wind :

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What would be the best choice for me ?

Do you know or own one of these kites ?

Does the 16-ft Sweet 16 not pulling like a truck ?

Thanks in advance for your help and your advices.

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2013, 10:18 AM »

The 12ft kite is as big a kite as I, personally, can handle. I just don't have the strength to deal with more pull. I can hold onto the 12ft size in pretty big winds until I can tie it up. I can also deal with getting it down. The 16ft kite is so tempting, though, isn't it? Bigger is always better, eh?Grin

Both of these kites are really cool, go up in much less wind than you would expect and are rock solid in the sky. They just plant themselves up there. Trust Into The Wind's kite descriptions- if they give cautionary advice, it's worth heeding.

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2013, 11:25 AM »

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Sorry John, but I don’t agree !

Prism kites, The Kite Shoppe, Into The Wind and some others are GWTW’s partners and links to these kiteshops/kitesbuilders are allowed by Steve Hall, boss of the GWTW kiteshop and forum.

You have just to ask him !

Have a look please on the right of this page, you’ll find the ITW link !

That's funny, what does it mean ?

I respect the forum rules, you too please !
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2013, 11:29 AM »

Hi Michel,

I'd say that depends a lot on what inflatables you're thinking of flying with the deltas.

Are they also kites (providing lift) and just being guided by the delta's line (acting as a pilot), or are they just line laundry? Do they create a lot of drag (clown fish) or do they not (worms). The more drag you put on the flying line with laundry, the more lift you'll want from the kite. That usually means the larger the kite.

I have the Sweet 16 and it's a very nice flyer. It'll lift quite a bit.

Since you're talking line laundry, I presume you'll be anchoring your kite. I anchor almost all the SLKs I fly and put them up in groups.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 11:34 AM »

Many thanks for your answer MtnFlyer !  Wink

Hi Michel,

I'd say that depends a lot on what inflatables you're thinking of flying with the deltas.

For example, Martin Lester 4 m Scuba Diver, Rolf Zimmermann 3 m Eule, CiM turbines 5 -> 7.5 m, Peter Lynn Teddy Bear 3 m,...
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 11:43 AM »

My 11ft Ghost easily lifted the Scuba Diver a couple of weeks ago.... for what it's worth. Another good lifter is Into the Winds Triton Genki.

Edit: don't forget ITW's DC's... they are awesome lifters as well.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 11:48 AM »

Michel,

I understand what you are saying about the links on the right.

I am following a long standing rule given to me by Steve:

    No direct links to other kite stores.

And while it is totally valid to say, "Click on the ad on the right",

the direct link was removed.

It is a fine line, agreed. When Steve tells me the rules have changed,

I will be happy to abide by whatever he directs. It is his Forum, not mine.

If any of the mods know of a rule change, please update me. Thanks.

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I'd get the smaller of the 2 deltas, BTW. Good luck with your choice.  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 12:39 PM »

Many thanks for your answer MtnFlyer !  Wink

Hi Michel,

I'd say that depends a lot on what inflatables you're thinking of flying with the deltas.

For example, Martin Lester 4 m Scuba Diver, Rolf Zimmermann 3 m Eule, CiM turbines 5 -> 7.5 m, Peter Lynn Teddy Bear 3 m,...

There are good examples of both low and high drag inflatables in your list, Michel.

Martin's Scuba Diver will fly without a lifter, has little pull and would have low drag with a pilot. The 3 m Zimmermann Owl generates its own lift, also, but also has significantly more drag due to its shape (I had one). The PL Teddy Bear would have less lift (but perhaps some) and more drag; I can't speak to its pull as I've only had a hand on the maxi.

Turbines or spinsocks generate no lift on their own. And a 5 - 7.5 m version is going to generate decent pull. Look at the line angle of the two in this pic. The smaller is 12 ft and the larger is 18 ft. Notice the bend in the line created by the 18 foot spinsock. Your kite has to be able to supply adequate lift for that.

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For general flying, John's right. For lifting laundry, look to the needs of the laundry and your ability to anchor.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2013, 01:09 PM »

[...] Martin's Scuba Diver will fly without a lifter, has little pull and would have low drag with a pilot. The 3 m Zimmermann Owl generates its own lift, also, but also has significantly more drag due to its shape (I had one). The PL Teddy Bear would have less lift (but perhaps some) and more drag; I can't speak to its pull as I've only had a hand on the maxi.

I know that the Martin Lester Scuba diver and the Rolf Zimmermann's original Owl (not the GKPI one unfortunatly) can fly without a lifter but not in low winds. I own 3 Martin Scuba divers and 2 Rolf's owls.

And I'm looking for a lifter for low winds !
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2013, 03:15 PM »

I fly a 12 ft. Sun Oaks delta and, while it will fly well enough on it's own in lighter winds, I would go for a larger sail as a low wind lifter. Granted the ITW kites are a bit lighter with the carbon framing, I've found my delta prefers more wind to do much lifting. Get into the low teens and it's good to go with an 8 ft. wind turbine for example. And, what's not to like on that "sweet sixteen"? Wink
 
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 05:22 AM »

Hi all,

I’m looking for a good lifter for low and middle winds.

I wish to hang on this kite one or 2 inflatables about 3-4 meters long.

I have seen these two (nice) peimar solar from Into the Wind :

1 – Direct link removed. Il Duce.

2 – Direct link removed. Il Duce.

What would be the best choice for me ?

Do you know or own one of these kites ?

Does the 16-ft Sweet 16 not pulling like a truck ?

Thanks in advance for your help and your advices.





Huge kite.. Never even thought about such big kite in my dream.. How did you fly it?
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